Hi Matthew
 
> SO!!??? Just because one person has given an answer, does it mean he is
> right?, or that is the only way of doing it? or that he has worded it well
> enough to be understood?
> 
> If you can help, reply regardless of what others have said

Yeah, that's right, so in theory we may get 800 odd identical replies to any 
particular question. Sure, if you know of a better / alternative way than
send it but saying "If you can help, reply regardless of what others have 
said" is daft- it's like opening the floodgates and inviting everyone to
reply to every message.

Byee,
Andy. 

On 14-Nov-99, b.beukhof@chello.nl wrote:

> I can't say how well it will run on a 160Mhz PPC but on my 200Mhz board
> it runs 
> just fine, you will need at least 28/29MB of FREE fastram or else
> you'll be 

29megs!!!?? why did the psx need only 2megs then?

Mash - 
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Right-wing Fanatic: Anyone who disagrees with a liberal.

Where can I buy, apart from over the net from
ClickBoom's website?

Thanks.

Ant.

<tsb>
Weirdscience sell it (I think)

http://www.weirdscience.co.uk or 0116 246 3800

Cheers

Darren

On Sat, 13 Nov 1999, Darren Silcock wrote:

> Can anyone help,
> 
> Will a powerflyer fit under the Micronik ZII board or Z4 board. I need
> faster transfer

if you get a Z4 board, why not get a zorro IDE controller?

alan


<tsb>

Recommend any - anybody got one for sale

> my amiga is connected to the uni network and i was woundering if i got
> a network card for the pc could i connect it to the amiga and access
> the network that way because my amiga has two network ports on the
> card but there is only one socket in my room so you can only have one
> computer connected to it.

Er..2 network ports?
If you mean it has a rj45 and a coax socket, your outta luck as you can
only use 1 type at a time.
All is not lost, if you are using twisted pair(rj45) all you need is a
small hub (about =A325-30) and some more cable. plug both computers into
the hub, and the hub into wall socket (Although you`ll have to check
with the network administrator first, just in case it could cause
problems..and also get get another LAN IP assigned to you)
 If you are using the coax socket, it`s a simple matter of just
removing the terminator on the T piece, plugging in a new cable to the
PC, and remembering to add the terminator to the T piece on that.

> What software do i need for the pc so that i can share the devices?
None for the PC, but you`ll need Samba which is on aminet, and the
SMB-handler that can mount PC drives as if they were normal amiga ones.
Also, if you do it this way, remember to use passwords on ALL shared
drives/printers etc, otherwise anyone on the uni network could easily
access your drives

On 14-Nov-99 21:19:02 GMT, dporter wrote:

> Hi guys,  I can't be the only one to have had this problem, but, when I
> first signed on to the afb I used to get all the correspondence via
> email. Now however since I performed some serious formating/partitionin
> g on my A4000/060/84ishMB PIV/Paloma/Pablo/120+540HD's I can only get
> to read the messages via the egroups page which is so slow.  If any
> fellow amigan can point me in the right direction so I can use
> microdotII again I would be most grateful.  many thanks Dave Porter
> (senior)

Have just checked, and your address has been flagged as "permanently
bouncing" by eGroups :(  It seems you are not the only screaming.net
customer, on afb, to experience this problem.  Anyway, I have reset
your status, so let's see how things go...  Hopefully you'll start
receiving afb mails again.

If you continue to have problems, then you'll need to contact
support@egroups.com, quoting http://www.egroups.com/group/afb/

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<tsb>

On Sun, Nov 14, 1999 at 11:15:00PM +0100, Darren Silcock wrote:
> <tsb>
> Weirdscience sell it (I think)

Would it be possible to properly quote stuff you're replying to? It's not
obvious that the first section is a quote, and <tsb> is something that's
supported by a very small set of mail programs, is not part of a standard
and should not be used on a mailing list with a variety of users with
different mail programs. Or at all, for that matter.

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Hello Matthew

On 14-Nov-99, you wrote:

> I support most effort, its just that not much effort seems to have gone
> into 3.5, thats the problem. 

You have absolutely no idea of what you're talking about....as you haven't
installed or used OS3.5, so you can't back up your pathetic defence of "not
much effort seems to have gone into 3.5".

> I'll buy whichever version gives me gfx card
> and sound card support, and ppc support. I expected these as a minimum
> 
> Mash - 
You don't want much then, do you?

So when Amiga fail to reach their sales target for OS3.5, and don't
commission H&P for OS3.6, OS3.7 etc....we will all know who to blame, won't
we?

Regards

chris
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-- Kurgan, Highlander

Powered by PowerPC Amiga in Dumfries & Galloway

A1200 Power Tower, 200Mhz PPC/060 50Mhz, BVision, 74Mb Ram, OS3.5, CGX V4.1

Panasonic 36" Wiiiiddeessccrreeennn TV, Pioneer 717 MultiRegion DVD, Denon
AC3 Decoder, JBL Speakers, Kef SubWoofer..... 

Hello Peter

On 15-Nov-99, you wrote:

>PG> <even bigger sigh>
>PG> Yes I do see, but I won't buy a product just on the promise that the next
>PG> one will be worth having. We've had plenty of promises broken to know how
>PG> much they're worth.

>PG <the biggest sigh that has ever been sighed in the whole world ever> Look
>PG at it from H&P's point of view. They've been charged with the task of
>PG bringing a 5 year old OS up to date in almost no time at all. If theres no
>PG interest in what they're doing, they're wasting a LOT of time and effort
>PG for nowt. Personally, I want an OS3.6, 3.7, etc. so I'm buying OS3.5.
>PG Plus, don't you want less patches on your system?!


I coucur wholeheartely, it has taken a lot of us a fair while to get our
systems to where we are happy with them (full of hacks and kludges that they
are) and now we expect H&P to come up with a world beater. This of course is
possible, but not with the current chip set, and the only way we are going to
get a new chip set is to prove with our money to H&P that there is a market
out there.
I have OS3.5 and sure it has shortcomings but it is a start and IMHO not a bad
base to work from, and hopefully some of these shortcomings will be rectified
over time.
So to all you people who have not got 3.5 yet, get it, you wont regret it.

-- 
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==========================================
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==========================================
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ICQ # 38728970

Motorcyclists DO IT between cars.

> On 14-Nov-99, b.beukhof@chello.nl wrote:
> 
> > I can't say how well it will run on a 160Mhz PPC but on my 200Mhz
board
> > it runs 
> > just fine, you will need at least 28/29MB of FREE fastram or else
> > you'll be 
> 
> 29megs!!!?? why did the psx need only 2megs then?

I don't know, all I know is that I keep getting WarpOS exceptions when
I've got less then 29 MB of free fastram !
And that the game runs fine when I've got 29MB of free fast ram.

> 
> Mash - 
> -- 
> Matthew O'Neill - MashMan
> HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash
> 
> Right-wing Fanatic: Anyone who disagrees with a liberal.
> 
> 

I can't get Octamed Soundstudio to load in songs I've created in Protracker
II.
I get an 'unrecognised file - load as ST?' message.

I did a great track in Pro2 and want to wite it to CD, but need Octamed to
write to disk.

Anyone help?

Hello Matthew

On 14-Nov-99, you wrote:

> My sentiments *exactly* It offer nothing new, just fixes of old
> problems.Plus quite frankly I can do without spending hours finding which
> patches work and which don't. In fact if it meant I could do away with
> stuff like visualprefs, mcp, waitvalidate and so on then I might consider,
> but it doesn't, not even the sodding clicking drive was fixed! :P

  Please don't stick to the predictive terms of the "will you be buying...?"
poll. If 3.5 proves helpful, fast and efficient, most users will end up 
buying it, maybe in one or two months, maybe later.

  Besides, 3.5 *can* do with some MCP features : Trackdisk Prefs ( no
clicking drive ) SysIHack, TitleClock, ChangeWbTitle, RamPatch... )
at least with v1.32. ToolsDaemon still works, and so does MRQ.

  The only things I haven't solved yet are a slight delay and a suspicious
drain of ChipMem whenever a program is loading, maybe because I only have a
Blizzard 030. That causes trouble with ToolManager's docks, which show up a 
few seconds after everything else is loaded, but I'm sure there's a way to
improve that - AND the windows, the icons, most copying and deleting
operations seem to work much faster.

  I didn't mean to argue for the sake of arguing when I told AF people that
the 'majority' would probably 'wait and see' for a while, and I don't think
it really matters.

  Patrice

> > But I can't get rid of VisualPrefs; what would happen to my lurvly
GUI?!
> 
> I can't stand VP's interpretation of the XEN gui. I much prefer MCP's
> NewLook GadTools

The default XEN setting you mean? It is possible to get it looking
exactly like those groovy XEN gadgets, you just need to fiddle with the
halfshine/halfshadow settings. Oh, and MCP won't run on my system, even
when it has no patches set!!!

Paul
=====
Fortune favours the bold.
Visit the Amipal website: http://www.geocities.com/amipal/

> > > Usually my Amiga is pretty stable, but when it does crash I've
> > > noticed that it's often when I am reading a text file in
Multiview.
> > > Has anyone else noticed this, and is there a solution?
> > > I am currently using OS3.0, and yes I will be upgrading to 3.5 but
> > > not for a couple of months.

Easy to fix: just install the version which came with your version of
WB. Ta da!

Paul
=====
Fortune favours the bold.
Visit the Amipal website: http://www.geocities.com/amipal/

> > > Usually my Amiga is pretty stable, but when it does crash I've
> > > noticed that it's often when I am reading a text file in
Multiview.
> > > Has anyone else noticed this, and is there a solution?
> > > I am currently using OS3.0, and yes I will be upgrading to 3.5 but
> > > not for a couple of months.

Easy to fix: just reinstall the version which came with your version of
WB. Ta da!

Paul
=====
Fortune favours the bold.
Visit the Amipal website: http://www.geocities.com/amipal/

> > Can anyone help,
> > 
> > Will a powerflyer fit under the Micronik ZII board or Z4 board. I
need
> > faster transfer
> 
> if you get a Z4 board, why not get a zorro IDE controller?

But a Zorro IDE controller (such as Budha) would be slower, wouldn't
it? The PowerFlyer does fit judging by AF's review of the Z4:  It was
sitting under it in PowerC's implementation.

Paul
=====
It was...fun.
Visit the Amipal website: http://www.geocities.com/amipal/

> I hear that wipeout2097 has been released.  Has anyone purchased this
> yet.
> 
> Is it running as good as the original playstation version or has it
met
> the original promises and become far superior to the original.
> 
> How well does it run under BlizzPPC 160 and Bvision.

Preordered. Now all I need is a damn BVision!

Paul
=====
Well look at that. The sun's coming up...
Visit the Amipal website: http://www.geocities.com/amipal/

Hello Paul

On 13-Nov-99, you wrote:

> Lets hear it for Rich. He may be a long haired hippie and The Prince
> of Darkness but . . .

Flattery will get you everywhere. ;)

Cheers,
Rich

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> > I support most effort, its just that not much effort seems to >>have 
>gone
> > into 3.5, thats the problem.

>You have absolutely no idea of what you're talking about....as you >haven't
>installed or used OS3.5, so you can't back up your pathetic defence >of 
>"not
>much effort seems to have gone into 3.5".

I have eyes, I can see, I see what others have said and written. No-one on 
this list has given me a reason to buy it (don`t gimme this crap about 
support your machine, I buy stuff to use, not support a company to make 
another version I will probably get no extra use out of!) In the AF review, 
those little boxouts were there to show us the best new features, and quite 
frankly they were dire. I don`t have the mag with me right now, but not one 
of them was even remotely impressive. Stuff like "new preference programs" 
and "progress bars for copying" are a joke

> > Mash -
>You don't want much then, do you?

I know that 3.5 isn`t worth it, magellan looks like a better buy

>So when Amiga fail to reach their sales target for OS3.5, and don't
>commission H&P for OS3.6, OS3.7 etc....we will all know who to >blame, 
>won't
>we?

Yes, H&P for doing a half arsed job. I`m sure They did as muchj as they 
could in the time they had, but there is nothing to justify buying it and 
I`m sure I`m not the only one who thinks this.

______________________________________________________

On Sun, 14 Nov 1999, Jonathan M. Dudley wrote:

> The miggy's sporting a GVP G-Force 060 accelerator, so I suspected that. I
> booted with no startup-sequence and it worked fine. I commented-out Setpatch
> in the startup, and that works too, but now the OS3.5 install gets confused
> and prompts me to do a pre-install.  :(

copy the GVP 040 and 060 libraries to the HD before carrying on
 
alan

On Sun, 14 Nov 1999 matt_madmatt@hotmail.com wrote:

> Makecd 3.2c released.  
> 
> Go to makecd.core.de to download latest version.
> hope it has support for my drive now.

which drive? 3.2a/b had mitsumi support

alan

On Sun, 14 Nov 1999, Ant's Spam wrote:

> Hey!  You can't wait to get a G4 accelerator, can you?
>  No?  Then sell me your old and unwanted PPC board! 
> Preferably a nice cheapy one, SCSI not necessary, nor
> is any RAM.  An 040/25+603e/160 will do fine.

ummm, we cant get G4 cards yet...therefore it makes no sense to sell our
current PPC cards

alan

On Fri, Nov 12, 1999 at 12:07:28AM -0800, Godzilla wrote:

> Actually, I believe you CAN have 255 as your address... and advising someone
> to "STICK" to a subnet mask of 255.255.255.0 is telling them to possibly
> STEAL IP addresses.. which I wouldn't advise.. if they only have a Class B
> license then they are only allowed to use a subnet mask of 255.255.255.128.
> (Unless this is an internal network behind a firewall.)

I was talking about people who have their own network (say at home) rather
than an office network with real world connectivity. The only time they
would get an issue would be when using a dial-up router to connect to the
net (or using 1 machine as a gateway), and then they should be using
NAT/NAPT or proxy anyway.

l8r
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On Sun, 14 Nov 1999, Matthew O'Neill wrote:

> I support most effort, its just that not much effort seems to have gone into
> 3.5, thats the problem. I'll buy whichever version gives me gfx card and
> sound card support, and ppc support. I expected these as a minimum

OS3.5 supports PPC and GFX cards. If you want a PPC native AmigaOS, then
you wont get it if enough people dont invest in os3.5 (and the PPC
market is WAY smaller than the 68k market...mainly because of a lack of
promised PPC cards arriving this year). H&P have said that it would take
about a year to get the AmigaOS running native on PPC

alan

On Fri, Nov 12, 1999 at 01:03:34PM +0000, Peter Lewis wrote:
>
> PS Also, I can't format the drive as the Person I brought the A4000 off 
> never sent me the WB3.0 disks....:o) <= Tudor?
> 

They were never included in the sale if I remember rightly - just the box
and keyboard - no s/w, etc :)

I still have your address and the disk, but I have been way too busy to send
them yet - sorry! btw this was as a favour, no cost to you, etc, so thanks
for casting dispersions on my character on a public mailing list ;>

l8r

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On Sun, 14 Nov 1999, Matthew O'Neill wrote:

> 29megs!!!?? why did the psx need only 2megs then?

i ask this of most PC games...look at TombRaider 3 for example.

answer? theres more onscreen and more resources required for the Amiga
and PC versions

alan

Right then lets see if one of you great minds can come up with a anwser
to this. How can i "login" or 'set' the current user ? I am using
mSQL and managed to chown the directory so the sever will start, but i
dont have acess permisions cos i cant "login"as the admin user.

Any ideas ?

I have a full (almost) geekgadgets install, so obsure commands dont scare
me. If i can get it working, and you are really nice, i might let you
access my sql database over the net !

cheers,..

Matthew J Fletcher                                 DICE Development Group
amimjf@connectfree.co.uk                     http:bounce.to/matts
Matthew.Fletcher@student.shu.ac.uk    ICQ amimjf 44193496

Thanks for the mail.
I am at the DMW http://www.digmedia.co.uk/
show in London.  I will not be back in
the office until Friday (19/11/99)

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On Mon, 15 Nov 1999, Chris Faircloth wrote:

> I have OS3.5 and sure it has shortcomings but it is a start and IMHO not a bad
> base to work from, and hopefully some of these shortcomings will be rectified
> over time.
> So to all you people who have not got 3.5 yet, get it, you wont regret it.

to back this up...i'm happily running AmigaOS 3.5 now...it feels clean
and refreshing now (compared to os3.1)..and i quite happily boot back
into it after my LinuxPPC sessions. 

alan

On Mon, 15 Nov 1999 amipal@yahoo.com wrote:

> Preordered. Now all I need is a damn BVision!

ooops! ;-)

I'll rent mine out to people i think...2 ukp/day  8-)

alan

On Mon, 15 Nov 1999, Matthew O'Neill wrote:

> I have eyes, I can see, I see what others have said and written. No-one on 
> this list has given me a reason to buy it (don`t gimme this crap about 

os3.5 is like an iceberg. the visual changes are easy to see...but they
are superficial and only account for < 15% of the changes. All of the
hard work has gone into the underlying core. As has already been
mentioned, media support is better..copying/moving/deleting is faster.
Icon layout etc is faster - even with a gfx card!

> frankly they were dire. I don`t have the mag with me right now, but not one 
> of them was even remotely impressive. Stuff like "new preference programs" 
> and "progress bars for copying" are a joke

people run patch programs to get these features in the past...patches
which are extra processes, cause memory leaks and crashes etc.

if you want to run os1.3 for ever (and it seems you are..after all, what
did os2.1 or 3.0 ever give us?) then go ahead. live with your patches.
when H&P give os3.5 registered users free upgrades and cheap upgrades to
3.7/4.0 etc and you have to pay more, then we'll here you whine even
more......

alan

On Mon, 15 Nov 1999, Tudor Davies wrote:

> They were never included in the sale if I remember rightly - just the box
> and keyboard - no s/w, etc :)
> 
> I still have your address and the disk, but I have been way too busy to send
> them yet - sorry! btw this was as a favour, no cost to you, etc, so thanks
> for casting dispersions on my character on a public mailing list ;>

the OS disks go with the ROMS, you cant have them seperate

alan

On Mon, Nov 15, 1999 at 10:34:56AM +0000, Alan L.M. Buxey wrote:

> the OS disks go with the ROMS, you cant have them seperate

I see. Explain that to Power, Eyetech, Blittersoft, etc who sell them
seperately then :)

And to Villagetronic who got the license to make them from Amiga - the ROMS
not the OS!!

l8r

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Hi stephen@thwaity.freeserve.co.uk,

> Good issue again. But I can't help but start to worry a little bit
> more. We're down to 92 pages now and the ads are getting thinner, even
> though your content isnt (thank the lord).

> I can remember how it was when AMiga Shopper went from 100 pages to 80
> odd to 60 in a very short time. I really hope it doesnt happen.

> I buy all sorts of mags (even PC Format!) but it is your magazine I
> really enjoy the most. In a time where absolutely no-one knows what's
> going to happen it is nice to see a dedicated bunch like you soldiering
> on.

I'm doing a naughty thing now by replying to this message even though I'm
not up-to-date on afb yet. Don't do it kids!

The simple fact of the matter is: not enough ads, not enough magazine. We
can't keep adding editorial pages to make up for the shortfall in
advertising, it costs too much money (*paying* for someone to write a page
of editorial instead of *receiving* money from someone for an ad). The only
way to get more pages in the mag is for more people to advertise. The only
way more people will advertise is if they can reclaim the costs from
advertising, but not enough people are buying enough product to make that
feasible. Sorry guys...

All the best,
-- 
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             PGP key available upon request
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computing suicide...

"alan l.m. buxey" wrote: 
> os3.5 is like an iceberg. the visual changes are easy to see...but
they
> are superficial and only account for < 15% of the changes. All of the
> hard work has gone into the underlying core. As has already been
> mentioned, media support is better..copying/moving/deleting is faster.
> Icon layout etc is faster - even with a gfx card!
Workbench has an ARexx port !!!!!!!, it worth the money alone. However
i would rarther had a PPC port of the maths libs, instead of a dodgy
mail client & lib.

> people run patch programs to get these features in the past...patches
> which are extra processes, cause memory leaks and crashes etc.
I still need mcp, but you can get rid of a whole load of other stuff.
(swatzinfo / newicons etc), i cant help but thinking that a lot more
could have been done if H&P had worked with more 3rd arties, on
developing stuff.
But i suppose they wanted it to be "there" product.

-matthew

> > hard work has gone into the underlying core. As has already been
> > mentioned, media support is better..copying/moving/deleting 
> > is faster. Icon layout etc is faster - even with a gfx card!
>
> Workbench has an ARexx port !!!!!!!, it worth the money alone. However
> i would rarther had a PPC port of the maths libs, instead of a dodgy
> mail client & lib.

A PPC math lib would be slower than your 68k math libs due to context
switching. 
 
> > people run patch programs to get these features in the 
> > past...patches which are extra processes, cause memory
> > leaks and crashes etc.
>
> I still need mcp, but you can get rid of a whole load of other stuff.
> (swatzinfo / newicons etc), i cant help but thinking that a lot more
> could have been done if H&P had worked with more 3rd arties, on
> developing stuff. 

I agree there. There are a lot of things that could have been
included, if more people worked on it. But people want to get
paid, and it takes time to do things - more time than Amiga or
Haage & Partner could afford.

I suppose that's what 3.6 will be for, though. And mayb 4.0?

(I for one vote for a rolling upgrade program, 3.6, 3.7, 3.8
and 3.9 definitely before we go for 4.0 - implement them step
by step and make *sure* it's good.)

I have so many ideas on how to improve the OS that would
require rewriting half of it. You can't just go at it though,
they need to be brought in gradually.

> But i suppose they wanted it to be "there" product.

I think it was more a real need to get a product out than some kind
of notion of ownership ;)

-- 
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Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

Hi sam@biffordyoungest.u-net.com,

> Ben - did someone have a bad paint day?  What is with the extremely
> bad pattern fill?  Its eating into the PDA's and the pens and the
> cables.  It looks Awful!

> (If it was intentional  then please dont *ever* do it again.  A big
> slap on the wrists for all concerned!)

> Oh, one last thing - are we not getting the extra Christmas Edition? 
> You refer to this as as the Christmas edition (on the CD notice, front
> cover) but its not very christmassy.  And the next issue is a 2K one.

I presume you are referring to the 'snow'? That was it - your christmas
bonus...

All the best,
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"ben vost" wrote: 

> > Oh, one last thing - are we not getting the extra Christmas
Edition? 
> > You refer to this as as the Christmas edition (on the CD notice,
front
> > cover) but its not very christmassy.  And the next issue is a 2K
one.
Cool,.. 2k in december, so i can celibrate it 3 times now then,. (if i
want)
dec 12-14 (AF), jan 2000 (Media), jan 2001, (Real).

> I presume you are referring to the 'snow'? That was it - your
christmas
> bonus...
My goodness chirstmas gets sooner every year,.!!, nov 15th !! But does
this mean we get our presents sooner ?, i think not.

-matthew

> 
> On Sun, 14 Nov 1999, Matthew O'Neill wrote:
> 
> > 29megs!!!?? why did the psx need only 2megs then?
> 
This isn't good, I only have at most 24 megs. Are the memory prices
coming down soon?

> My goodness chirstmas gets sooner every year,.!!, nov 15th !! But does
> this mean we get our presents sooner ?, i think not.
> 
There's always someone isn't there...Christmas is about giving, not
receiving. ;)

Hi Ant's,

> I've got a few questions to ask Digita about Wordworth
> 4SE (like why is it so slow at printing, even when
> outputting to a file?), but when I looked at their
> website (www.digita.com) it was full of Microsoft and
> solutions to tax problems.  What's happened?

Not enough people actually bought the current version of their software and
stuck with older, cheap versions that came out in 94, os they gave up on
the Amiga...

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Hi Colin,

> Has anyone else had a problem loading ImageFX4 with OS3.5? Until I
> installed this, and the 3.1 Rom's, I had no problems with IFX at all but
> now it crashes the system and resets as soon as the main screen has
> loaded. I have tried doing a re-install but the results are always the
> same.
> I would be glad of any help as I am desperate to get a job finished before
> the weekend is over and I need this programme to complete ir.

Not here. I've been using IFX on beta versions of OS3.5 for about two
months.

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riksweene-@hotmail.com wrote: 
> Why does Kleinert keep whinging about his bloody program? He keeps
> complaining that it's being pirated and threatens to stop making
> programs for the Amiga. 
Possably cos the program which is his lifes work it being ripped of by
people, i think that might piss you off a bit.

> Does he really think a change to the PC is going to miraculously
change     > everything? 
No,.. i presume he just wants more than 1% of people using his software
to register it.

> I have no idea what his program does because the sodding thing
doesn't work > on my computer. Does anyone here use it on a regular
basis?
Well appart from creating some of the best (68k & PPC) datatypes
around, superview will load almost any image format in existance and
then save it out to any format in existance. Which i admist is not
amazing, but its what datatypes should always have been.

-matthew 

Hello Primo

On 13-Nov-99, you wrote:

>  Ben do you think you could do a tutorial around hard drives.You know
> the sort of thing.Things like how to create partitions,how big to make
> them.Things to do/not to do,that sort of thing.I for one would benefit
> from a refresher type tutorial---may be others would to.

Your wish is our command. Well, actually, we'd already thought of this. I'm
working on it for issue 132.

If anybody has any suggestion for stuff they'd like to see covered, then let
me know. Any hard drive related stuff you've never really understood, any
common problems, FAQs, etc. Make it quick though, 'cos I'm in the middle of
writing it.

Cheers,
Rich

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Part of my net connect 2 package has stopped working. 
The programs X-arc and microdot 2 attempt to load but then never
appear. 
MUI is installed and rexx mast is running. 
If the wb program excange is run, it shows both these programs as
running. 
Clicking on show interface does nothing and hide interface just puts a
icon 
on the desktop screen.

Therefore it seem that both programs are loaded into the memory,
 but the interface for them won`t show. 
All the other programs like Voyager work fine. 
I have tried all the ovious things like re-installing Netconnect and
disabling the WB 
start up programs to no successes. 
They both use to work fine. Has anyone else had a similar problem. Its
got me beat.

Cheers Chris

Hi Matthew,

> I support most effort, its just that not much effort seems to have gone
> into 3.5, thats the problem. I'll buy whichever version gives me gfx card
> and sound card support, and ppc support. I expected these as a minimum

What for? The 1200 here at the office has none of these things, and I'm
willing to bet that the same's true of the majority of Amigas out there.
The work done on 3.5 *has* to be solid, and supporting lots of third party
cards makes this difficult. Likewise the lack of a no-click patch for
floppy disks was determined to still be unsafe to include in the OS, it
wasn't merely forgotten.

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> Well appart from creating some of the best (68k & PPC) datatypes
> around, superview will load almost any image format in existance and
> then save it out to any format in existance. Which i admist is not
> amazing, but its what datatypes should always have been.
> 
I've tried his datatypes and yes they are good (PPC) but making us pay
for them? What? In my opinion that's just money grabbing. What we need
are PPC datatypes in an update for OS3.5, not just for JPG and PNG, but
for GIF and animation and BMP and TIF. 

> If anybody has any suggestion for stuff they'd like to see covered,
then let
> me know. Any hard drive related stuff you've never really understood,
any
> common problems, FAQs, etc. Make it quick though, 'cos I'm in the
middle of
> writing it.
> 
Well, I recently bought a 4.3G HD and copied all the data onto it (I
don't have a ZIP drive or anything like that) and then used that as the
new HardDrive. The whole task could have been alot quicker if I'd
noticed the master/slave switches on the back of the drives. Worth a
mention I think.

Hi Matthew,

>> You don't want much then, do you?

> I know that 3.5 isn`t worth it, magellan looks like a better buy

And have you even bought that?

>> So when Amiga fail to reach their sales target for OS3.5, and don't
>> commission H&P for OS3.6, OS3.7 etc....we will all know who to >blame, 
>> won't
>> we?

> Yes, H&P for doing a half arsed job. I`m sure They did as muchj as they 
> could in the time they had, but there is nothing to justify buying it and 
> I`m sure I`m not the only one who thinks this.

H&P didn't do a half-arsed job. An OS isn't like a commodity, or a game. You
have to make sure it is rock-solid for everyone. This is even harder to do
in a market which hasn't had a new OS in seven (or five) years.

All the best,
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Hi Alan,

> OS3.5 supports PPC and GFX cards. If you want a PPC native AmigaOS, then
> you wont get it if enough people dont invest in os3.5 (and the PPC
> market is WAY smaller than the 68k market...mainly because of a lack of
> promised PPC cards arriving this year). H&P have said that it would take
> about a year to get the AmigaOS running native on PPC

OS4.0 PPC-native (to run on PoP boxes) for summer-autumn next year. But not
if there's no demand.

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> > 29megs!!!?? why did the psx need only 2megs then?
>
>i ask this of most PC games...look at TombRaider 3 for example.
>
>answer? theres more onscreen and more resources required for the >Amiga
>and PC versions

So why notport the psx version? needs less processing power and less ram

______________________________________________________

Hi amimjf@hotmail.com,

> I still need mcp, but you can get rid of a whole load of other stuff.
> (swatzinfo / newicons etc), i cant help but thinking that a lot more
> could have been done if H&P had worked with more 3rd arties, on
> developing stuff.
> But i suppose they wanted it to be "there" product.

They certainly wanted it to be "there" if you mean at K=F6ln. There are 1=
50
members of the betatesting team, who are mostly third-party product
developers, but not everyone can be included...

All the best,
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Hi amimjf@hotmail.com,

>> Does he really think a change to the PC is going to miraculously
>> everything? 
> No,.. i presume he just wants more than 1% of people using his software
> to register it.

It'll still only be 1%, but one percent of a market with 32094757 trillion
users is more than a market where people aren't even running a current
OS...

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Hi Matthew,

>>> 29megs!!!?? why did the psx need only 2megs then?
>> 
>> i ask this of most PC games...look at TombRaider 3 for example.
>> 
>> answer? theres more onscreen and more resources required for the >Amiga
>> and PC versions

> So why notport the psx version? needs less processing power and less ram

The PSX version *was* ported. But the PlayStation has a lot of stuff
built-into the machine that the Amiga doesn't and so needs to do in
software, which takes memory...

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On Sun, 14 Nov 1999 s.holmes@free4all.co.uk wrote:

> Please select one of the following:
> 
>    o Daily and regularly!
>    o Maybe once a day.
>    o Once every couple of days.
>    o Once a week.
>    o Once a fortnight.
>    o Once a month.
>    o Only when I need to reinstall a program from disk, or to play an old game.
>    o Never!

o Only when I'm forced too    :-)

alan

On Sun, 14 Nov 1999 satans_smeg@hotmail.com wrote:

> Well I'm here in IBrowse now, bit slow and the images look ugly but at
> least I can read everything now although I do have to click on links
> 4/5 times before I can get there, I keep getting `un-expected error:
> 20'?

yeh, I know.... I'm really waiting for the next update for IBrowse 2.1,


alan

On Sun, 14 Nov 1999 matt_madmatt@hotmail.com wrote:

> > By the way, any M$ and Windows haters take a look in Windoze eGroup.
> > For now it only has 2 members but it's only half a day old.
> 
> I would, but you have not mention where to find the group.

err, yes he did

alan

> > > 29megs!!!?? why did the psx need only 2megs then?
> >
> > i ask this of most PC games...look at TombRaider 3 for example.
> >
> > answer? theres more onscreen and more resources required for 
> > the Amiga and PC versions
> 
> So why not port the psx version? needs less processing power 
> and less ram

Not as simple as that, and you know it. The PSX version is much
less advanced, has a lower polygon count, and is custom designed
for the Playstation for a start (uses fixed point math rather than
floating point, the fp math takes up twice as much space in memory
due to 32bit or 64bit values rather than the standard 16bit values
they use in fixed math. )

It'd look shit on anything but a first-generation Playstation and
a 14" TV - the PSX version is fixed at 320x240 resolution in 16
(maybe 15) bit colour. Running it on your average 640x480 screen
in 24bit or more obviously takes up that much more memory.

There are vast amounts of reasons why it takes up so much memory.

Besides, anyone with enough power to play it (PPC, gfx card, 3D
h/w..) will have 32Mb or more RAM to spare anyway.

Are you going to buy it? Actually, do you have a machine CAPABLE
of playing it first?

-- 
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Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

On Mon, 15 Nov 1999, Sealey, M. wrote:

> I agree there. There are a lot of things that could have been
> included, if more people worked on it. But people want to get
> paid, and it takes time to do things - more time than Amiga or
> Haage & Partner could afford.
> 
> I suppose that's what 3.6 will be for, though. And mayb 4.0?

H&P stated at the Koln show (hey, my German is getting better now! ;-) )
that the update wont take too long to come out now - its with the beta
testing team

alan

On Mon, 15 Nov 1999 riksweeney@hotmail.com wrote:

> This isn't good, I only have at most 24 megs. Are the memory prices
> coming down soon?

SIMM memory hasnt gone up like the SDRAM. in fact its been pretty low
and stable for a while

alan

Hi Alan,

>>   o Only when I need to reinstall a program from disk, or to play an old
>> game.

> o Only when I'm forced too    :-)

Isn't that this option? Folks, we can't necessarily guarantee that wording
on polls is going to be exactly appropriate to the choice, but let's cut
back a bit on the postings picking up on flaws in polls please? And
pollsters, please think long and hard before posting a poll.

All the best,
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On Mon, 15 Nov 1999, Ben Vost wrote:

> Not enough people actually bought the current version of their software and
> stuck with older, cheap versions that came out in 94, os they gave up on
> the Amiga...

you mean those 'freebie' versions that came on Amiga magazine Coverdisks
and with the Escom/AT Amiga packs? 

In this case, the blame can be apportioned to others...

The best deal from Digita was their Office CD, everyone should have that
in their software collection

alan

Hi Alan,

> H&P stated at the Koln show (hey, my German is getting better now! ;-) )
> that the update wont take too long to come out now - its with the beta
> testing team

We've been on a rolling beta test for new features and bugfixes for a new
revision since before 3.5 actually came out. The first revision will be out
before Christmas.

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On Mon, 15 Nov 1999, Richard Drummond wrote:

> If anybody has any suggestion for stuff they'd like to see covered, then let
> me know. Any hard drive related stuff you've never really understood, any
> common problems, FAQs, etc. Make it quick though, 'cos I'm in the middle of
> writing it.

oh, can you print some info about those cool airbrushed towers that were
on display at the Koln show?

alan

> > Preordered. Now all I need is a damn BVision!
> 
> ooops! ;-)
> 
> I'll rent mine out to people i think...2 ukp/day  8-)

Damn you! Damn you all! I guess I could wait (as usual for Amiga users)
for either a). DCE to take it up, or b). get a BoXeR when it is
[eventually] released; those PCI slots should take a nice new gfx
card...

Paul
=====
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On Mon, 15 Nov 1999 s-c.tennant1@tees.ac.uk wrote:

> Therefore it seem that both programs are loaded into the memory,
>  but the interface for them won`t show. 
> All the other programs like Voyager work fine. 
> I have tried all the ovious things like re-installing Netconnect and
> disabling the WB 
> start up programs to no successes. 
> They both use to work fine. Has anyone else had a similar problem. Its
> got me beat.

is this after upgrading to os3.5? If so, then the usual solution has
already been mentioned - move the env: details for both programs from
the storage directory back into envarc: and reboot

alan

On Mon, 15 Nov 1999 riksweeney@hotmail.com wrote:

> for them? What? In my opinion that's just money grabbing. What we need
> are PPC datatypes in an update for OS3.5, not just for JPG and PNG, but
> for GIF and animation and BMP and TIF. 

such things are sure to be in a later update..and yes, we need more
standard OS datatypes. animations cant be done until we have proper
streaming media support in datatypes

GIF is also a BIG problem since the format is now strongly protected and
it would have cost H&P a small fortune to liscence it :-(

Please use PNG

alan

Hi Alan,

> you mean those 'freebie' versions that came on Amiga magazine Coverdisks
> and with the Escom/AT Amiga packs? 

> In this case, the blame can be apportioned to others...

It can be, but only in part. At the end of the day, those versions were
designed to get people to go out and get the latest version, which people
didn't do.

> The best deal from Digita was their Office CD, everyone should have that
> in their software collection

Absolutely.

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Hi amipal@yahoo.com,

> Damn you! Damn you all! I guess I could wait (as usual for Amiga users)
> for either a). DCE to take it up, or b). get a BoXeR when it is
> [eventually] released; those PCI slots should take a nice new gfx
> card...

Have you got an 040 or 060-based accelerator? If so, there's a nice surprise
coming by Christmas...

All the best,
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On Mon, 15 Nov 1999, Ben Vost wrote:

> Hi Matthew,
> 
> >> You don't want much then, do you?
> 
> > I know that 3.5 isn`t worth it, magellan looks like a better buy
> 
> And have you even bought that?

;-) not to mention that os3.5 can be bought cheaper than magellanII -
and lets face it, its better to have a better base OS than put even more
things ontop of an older buggy OS
 
> H&P didn't do a half-arsed job. An OS isn't like a commodity, or a game. You
> have to make sure it is rock-solid for everyone. This is even harder to do
> in a market which hasn't had a new OS in seven (or five) years.

so true. it would have been easy to just stick all the aminet patches
into one setpatch program. then about 10% of amiga which matched the
specs could run os3.5 and all the other Amigas would have crashed and
burned...

alan

On Mon, 15 Nov 1999, Ben Vost wrote:

> OS4.0 PPC-native (to run on PoP boxes) for summer-autumn next year. But not
> if there's no demand.

oh! and more details about that PoP box that H&P were showing! Looks
great! I've been looking for more info, but cant find any yet...if the
general Amiga public get to know of this little box then they might be
very interested what the future holds! :-)

alan

On Mon, 15 Nov 1999, Matthew O'Neill wrote:

> So why notport the psx version? needs less processing power and less ram

have you rated the PSX CPU? That little chip is a pretty fast RISC core
processor. as for porting..no can do. the PSC version requires less
overhead because its a console that was designed for piping data through
and it has custom 3D chips that do things very easily and basically. 
On a PC/Amiga you need to have gfx libraries, then the 3D API on top of
that, and thats just to be able to draw the stuff. triple buffering will
eat about 8Mb of FastRAM as soon as the program starts

alan

On Mon, 15 Nov 1999, Ben Vost wrote:

> Isn't that this option? Folks, we can't necessarily guarantee that wording
> on polls is going to be exactly appropriate to the choice, but let's cut
> back a bit on the postings picking up on flaws in polls please? And
> pollsters, please think long and hard before posting a poll.

:-) well, i will select that option...however, its not just a case of
'reinstalling old software' - certain new apps still arrive in the mail
on floppy disks. MakeCD, DOpusII (nice yellow ones), CGfx4.1, etc

alan 

Hi Alan,

>> OS4.0 PPC-native (to run on PoP boxes) for summer-autumn next year. But
>> not if there's no demand.

> oh! and more details about that PoP box that H&P were showing! Looks
> great! I've been looking for more info, but cant find any yet...if the
> general Amiga public get to know of this little box then they might be
> very interested what the future holds! :-)

There are currently four or five Korean companies looking to manufacture
these as Linux boxes, but H&P are in discussions to buy them for use as
Amiga motherboards. The nice thing is, they said to me, that they'll be
able to buy these complete motherboards, with PCI, Processor Direct, SD-RAM
and so on, for less than the cost of a phase 5 accelerator card... New
Amigas here we come...

All the best,
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On Mon, 15 Nov 1999 amipal@yahoo.com wrote:

> Damn you! Damn you all! I guess I could wait (as usual for Amiga users)
> for either a). DCE to take it up, or b). get a BoXeR when it is
> [eventually] released; those PCI slots should take a nice new gfx
> card...

yes...they'll take PCI cards...and then the card will act as a nice room
heater and nothing else until supported. I'd make sure that theres a
driver (and not just a 'planned driver') for the card under either P96
or CGFX and that it has Warp3D support before buying. I guess the most
commonly supported card will be the PCI Voodoo Banshee - as its 2D and
3D....there again, this should be what a branch of Phoenix Consortium
will cover, if they are interested in the full picture. 

alan

On Mon, 15 Nov 1999, Ben Vost wrote:

> Have you got an 040 or 060-based accelerator? If so, there's a nice surprise
> coming by Christmas...

?? a 3D card solution that plugs in somewhere? 

alan

On Mon, 15 Nov 1999, Ben Vost wrote:

> There are currently four or five Korean companies looking to manufacture
> these as Linux boxes, but H&P are in discussions to buy them for use as
> Amiga motherboards. The nice thing is, they said to me, that they'll be
> able to buy these complete motherboards, with PCI, Processor Direct, SD-RAM
> and so on, for less than the cost of a phase 5 accelerator card... New
> Amigas here we come...

stick it into a standard tower and we certainly are! The most exciting
part about the PoP system is that its already been modified from its
basic spec to now run with the far better G4 CPU. I hope H&P are looking
to this solution as a G4 emulates the 68k at a pretty good rate, whereas
the G3 will make my 68k apps slower than my 060 currently runs them
(oh, and if PoP as a LinuxPPC box takes off..as it should...I can just
keep on going with my current installation ;-) )

alan

> > PS Also, I can't format the drive as the Person I brought the A4000
off 
> > never sent me the WB3.0 disks....:o) <= Tudor?
> 
> errr, you've still got WB there...you're not formatting the system
> disk...your formatting dh1: partition, which would mean you keep your
> sys: alive and untouched
> 
> alan
> 

No, what I mean is Because the Amiga keeps trying to validate it, it
may not let me format the drive, so a Low Level format of the ENTIRE HD
would be needed.
I would then repartition my drive (So I have an excuse to put Linux
on!) and re-format it, thus requiring the WB disks for the 'clean' HD.

:P

Pete.

PS It's my 19th Birthday - I DO NOT NEED THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

F*ck it - I'm just gonna get a new hard drive. :o)

Hi Alan,

>> Have you got an 040 or 060-based accelerator? If so, there's a nice
>> surprise coming by Christmas...

> ?? a 3D card solution that plugs in somewhere? 

Yup. Probably one of the most interesting things there. Should cost less
than 80-90 quid.

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Hi Alan,

> stick it into a standard tower and we certainly are! The most exciting
> part about the PoP system is that its already been modified from its
> basic spec to now run with the far better G4 CPU. I hope H&P are looking
> to this solution as a G4 emulates the 68k at a pretty good rate, whereas
> the G3 will make my 68k apps slower than my 060 currently runs them
> (oh, and if PoP as a LinuxPPC box takes off..as it should...I can just
> keep on going with my current installation ;-) )

They've got 68k emulation speed at the rate of an 040 at 20MHz now on a
604e, so a G4 should certainly be faster than a real 060...

All the best,
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> > Damn you! Damn you all! I guess I could wait (as usual for Amiga
users)
> > for either a). DCE to take it up, or b). get a BoXeR when it is
> > [eventually] released; those PCI slots should take a nice new gfx
> > card...
> 
> Have you got an 040 or 060-based accelerator? If so, there's a nice
surprise
> coming by Christmas...

No, Blizzard 603e/040. Come on Ben, you can tell all your friends on
AFB your little secret. Promise we won't tell...

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Hi amipal@yahoo.com,

>> Have you got an 040 or 060-based accelerator? If so, there's a nice
> surprise
>> coming by Christmas...

> No, Blizzard 603e/040. Come on Ben, you can tell all your friends on
> AFB your little secret. Promise we won't tell...

What and your Blizzard doesn't have an 040 on it? :)

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> >> Have you got an 040 or 060-based accelerator? If so, there's a nice
> > surprise
> >> coming by Christmas...
> 
> > No, Blizzard 603e/040. Come on Ben, you can tell all your friends on
> > AFB your little secret. Promise we won't tell...
> 
> What and your Blizzard doesn't have an 040 on it? :)

Erm, well yes? How is this *special* thing meant to connect?

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riksweene-@hotmail.com wrote: 
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/afb/?start=36833
> > If anybody has any suggestion for stuff they'd like to see covered,
> then let
> > me know. Any hard drive related stuff you've never really
understood,
> any
> > common problems, FAQs, etc...

How about "Why does a hard drive always F*CK up when you least want it
to?"

:o)

Pete.

Hi Pete

On 15-Nov-99, you wrote:

> How about "Why does a hard drive always F*CK up when you least want it
> to?"

This theorem may be trivially deduced from Murphy's Law.


Cheers,
Rich

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On Mon, 15 Nov 1999 ultrasbm@hotmail.com wrote:

> No, what I mean is Because the Amiga keeps trying to validate it, it
> may not let me format the drive, so a Low Level format of the ENTIRE HD
> would be needed.

no. never ever low-format a drive.

> I would then repartition my drive (So I have an excuse to put Linux
> on!) and re-format it, thus requiring the WB disks for the 'clean' HD.

8-)

alan

On Mon, 15 Nov 1999, Ben Vost wrote:

> They've got 68k emulation speed at the rate of an 040 at 20MHz now on a
> 604e, so a G4 should certainly be faster than a real 060...

yes, it will be - 80->100MHz 060 equivalent easy...but the G3 cant do
that

alan

On Mon, 15 Nov 1999 amipal@yahoo.com wrote:

> > Have you got an 040 or 060-based accelerator? If so, there's a nice
> surprise
> > coming by Christmas...
> 
> No, Blizzard 603e/040. Come on Ben, you can tell all your friends on
> AFB your little secret. Promise we won't tell...

thats an 040 accelerator though....the 040/060 is needed, i guess,
because of the heavy processor requirements of 3D gfx cards and the FPU
speed needed. 

alan

> On Mon, 15 Nov 1999, Ben Vost wrote:
> 
> > They've got 68k emulation speed at the rate of an 040 at 
> > 20MHz now on a 604e, so a G4 should certainly be faster
> > than a real 060...
> 
> yes, it will be - 80->100MHz 060 equivalent easy...but the G3 cant do
> that

I laugh at your pitiful knowledge ;)

Steffen Haeuser:
"
It was cited before (and this is accurate) that the Emulator reaches on 
*current* PPC Boards around 040 speed (some applications, for example
StormC, 
up to full 060 speed, it always depends on which applications you run...
those
with a lot of memory accesses are usually faster, those with a lot of
arithmetics slower... spoken "plain"), for a G3 a speed which clearly
"beats" 
040 speed (Double 040 to 060 speed) should be expected. On an average.

It would be possible to upgrade the emulator to a "dynamic emulation", once
a 
license agreement was reaches (but this would still require a lot of work
and 
time), which could reach around 3x-5x 060 speed on a G3 (this is on the 
average what the Apple Emulator runs... yes, the Apple one is "dynamic").
"

So on your 604e you get mid-range 040, maybe 060 performance on some apps.

With a G3 you would get 3-5 times the speed of an 060.

With a G4 - and this is the funny part - you'd get virtually no increase
over a G3. Because there's hardly a performance difference when you don't
use the AltiVec unit (which the emulator doesn't). A 604 is adequate. A
G3 is perfect. A G4 is no better..

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> 
> On Mon, 15 Nov 1999 s-c.tennant1@tees.ac.uk wrote:
> 
> > Therefore it seem that both programs are loaded into the memory,
> >  but the interface for them won`t show. 
> > All the other programs like Voyager work fine. 
> > I have tried all the ovious things like re-installing Netconnect and
> > disabling the WB 
> > start up programs to no successes. 
> > They both use to work fine. Has anyone else had a similar problem.
Its
> > got me beat.
> 
> is this after upgrading to os3.5? If so, then the usual solution has
> already been mentioned - move the env: details for both programs from
> the storage directory back into envarc: and reboot
> 
No I still have not got around to upgrading to os 3.5 yet. 
This is still using OS 3. 
I did not notacably change the system in any way.

Chris
> 

> > > Therefore it seem that both programs are loaded into the memory,
> > >  but the interface for them won`t show. 
[snip]
> No I still have not got around to upgrading to os 3.5 yet. 
> This is still using OS 3. 
> I did not notacably change the system in any way.

Voyager seems to make MUI apps stop working in my experience.
Nobody knows why.. but it's probably a NetConnect app being
a tiny bit buggy? 

2.95 all the way through 3.0.37 do it.

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"sealey, m." <mws-@leicester.ac.uk> wrote: 
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/afb/?start=36876
> > > > Therefore it seem that both programs are loaded into the memory,
> > > >  but the interface for them won`t show. 

> 
> Voyager seems to make MUI apps stop working in my experience.
> Nobody knows why.. but it's probably a NetConnect app being
> a tiny bit buggy? 
> 
> 2.95 all the way through 3.0.37 do it.
> 
Cheers Matt

Cheers Matt

I`ll give it a try without Voyager on the system, 
and see if it works then. 
Its weired that it worked fine before mind. 
Im considering upgrading to net connect 3 any way, 
so maybe that will work better.

Chris

Hi, any help on this one will be greatly appreciated - I've tried the
support service but no reply as yet.

When trying to pre-install OS3.5 I get the error message:-

Interpreter: Executing non-function in line 3

I can't even get into the installation selection screen. It's probably
something simple but I'm stuck, I'm not sure whether it's a problem
with my set-up or with the program.

My Amiga is an A1200T, PPC 603e 040/25, 16MB Fast RAM, OS3.1 ROMs and
software.

Craig Hardie.

Chris Dallimore wrote:

> Check the 68040.library.
> OS3.5 installs it's own version, but you probably need one specific for your
> accelerator so will need to copy it back.

I haven't done (as in: can't do) the full install yet. Would the pre-install
replace the 68060.library? I re-installed the lib that came with the board
after I installed 3.1, as the machine wouldn't boot without it.

As I say, it boots OK if I disable Setpatch, but then 3.5 repeatedly prompts
me to pre-install if I try the main install. I must admit that I'm not
completely sure what Setpatch does...  :(

For my next trick, I'll try booting from the 3.5 emergency disk.

Regards,
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> When trying to pre-install OS3.5 I get the error message:-
> 
> Interpreter: Executing non-function in line 3
> 
> I can't even get into the installation selection screen. It's probably
> something simple but I'm stuck, I'm not sure whether it's a problem
> with my set-up or with the program.

Try copying the Installer program from the OS3.5 CD into your C:
directory. It should be in the same directory on the CD as the
install icon (do a "Show All Files", it's called Installer ;)

It's a long shot..

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> > I can't even get into the installation selection screen. It's
probably
> > something simple but I'm stuck, I'm not sure whether it's a problem
> > with my set-up or with the program.
> 
> Try copying the Installer program from the OS3.5 CD into your C:
> directory. It should be in the same directory on the CD as the
> install icon (do a "Show All Files", it's called Installer ;)

Alternatively try a bog standard manual installation. It can't hurt can
it?

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> > Try copying the Installer program from the OS3.5 CD into your C:
> > directory. It should be in the same directory on the CD as the
> > install icon (do a "Show All Files", it's called Installer ;)
> 
> Alternatively try a bog standard manual installation. It 
> can't hurt can it?

Yes. They have installers for a reason, Paul ;)

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> > > Try copying the Installer program from the OS3.5 CD into your C:
> > > directory. It should be in the same directory on the CD as the
> > > install icon (do a "Show All Files", it's called Installer ;)
> > 
> > Alternatively try a bog standard manual installation. It 
> > can't hurt can it?
> 
> Yes. They have installers for a reason, Paul ;)

Not much point if it doesn't work, Matthew.

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hi,

> I laugh at your pitiful knowledge ;)

heh - well, to be honest, this is all conjecture because , until we get
G4's running a 68k emulation taking care of the Amiga, we cant really
say...however...

> It was cited before (and this is accurate) that the Emulator reaches on 
> *current* PPC Boards around 040 speed (some applications, for example

thats 040 speed. and, sorry, but G3's under 350MHz are not that much
faster than the 604e at same clockspeed

> with a lot of memory accesses are usually faster, those with a lot of
> arithmetics slower... spoken "plain"), for a G3 a speed which clearly
> "beats" 
> 040 speed (Double 040 to 060 speed) should be expected. On an average.

double 040 speed is not 060 speed.....as we've already established many
many times
 
> With a G3 you would get 3-5 times the speed of an 060.

I'd really like to see that.
 
and sorry, but the G4 would be better..as they come at hiher clock
speeds and have several new core instructions which are present in the
060 - quite interesting options

alan

On Mon, 15 Nov 1999, Sealey, M. wrote:

> Voyager seems to make MUI apps stop working in my experience.
> Nobody knows why.. but it's probably a NetConnect app being
> a tiny bit buggy? 
> 
> 2.95 all the way through 3.0.37 do it.

really? My Myzar, IBrowse and AmFTP still work with Voyager 3.0.37
working

alan

Hello Ben

On 15-Nov-99, you wrote:

>> I've got a few questions to ask Digita about Wordworth
>> 4SE (like why is it so slow at printing, even when
>> outputting to a file?), but when I looked at their
>> website (www.digita.com) it was full of Microsoft and
>> solutions to tax problems.  What's happened?
> 
> Not enough people actually bought the current version of their software
> and stuck with older, cheap versions that came out in 94, os they gave up
> on the Amiga...
> 
> All the best,

I hope and pray that OS3.5 doesn't suffer the same fate....

/me fingers crossed

Regards

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Panasonic 36" Wiiiiddeessccrreeennn TV, Pioneer 717 MultiRegion DVD, Denon
AC3 Decoder, JBL Speakers, Kef SubWoofer..... 

Hello Ben

On 15-Nov-99, you wrote:

>> So why notport the psx version? needs less processing power and less ram
> 
> The PSX version *was* ported. But the PlayStation has a lot of stuff
> built-into the machine that the Amiga doesn't and so needs to do in
> software, which takes memory...
> 
> All the best,
According to Di themselves, we're getting the PC version.  The PSX and PC
version had different soundtracks and it cost too much to license the PSX
version which included music from The Prodigy, Fluke etc...

Hopefully, my copy will be here later this week.  Kinda ironic really, a
game which used the Amiga A1200 for the speech, was released on PC, PSX,
Saturn and now finally - Amiga.

Regards

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On Mon, 15 Nov 1999 craig_hardie@hotmail.com wrote:

> When trying to pre-install OS3.5 I get the error message:-
> 
> Interpreter: Executing non-function in line 3

are you trying to pre-install using IntallerNG/Savage installer?

alan

On Sun, 14 Nov 1999, Jonathan M. Dudley wrote:

> I haven't done (as in: can't do) the full install yet. Would the pre-install
> replace the 68060.library? I re-installed the lib that came with the board
> after I installed 3.1, as the machine wouldn't boot without it.

yes
 
> As I say, it boots OK if I disable Setpatch, but then 3.5 repeatedly prompts
> me to pre-install if I try the main install. I must admit that I'm not
> completely sure what Setpatch does...  :(

setpatch patches a lot of ROM problems and if setpatch isnt working,
then something drastic is wrong
 
alan

> hi,
>
> > I laugh at your pitiful knowledge ;)
>
> heh - well, to be honest, this is all conjecture because,
> until we get G4's running a 68k emulation taking care of
> the Amiga, we cant really say...however...

However what? The G4 is really no faster than a G3! Any
enhancements will be in it's cache access, FPU routines,
and the new 128-bit pipeliney thingummy. Maybe a few
MIPS, but nothing more. Certainly nothing that will add
to the speed of an emulator of the type Haage & Partner
has made.

> > It was cited before (and this is accurate) that the
> > Emulator reaches on *current* PPC Boards around 040
> > speed (some applications, for example
>
> thats 040 speed. and, sorry, but G3's under 350MHz are
> not that much faster than the 604e at same clockspeed

Given that no Amiga has a 350Mhz 604e, that's pretty much
irrelevant.

> > with a lot of memory accesses are usually faster, those
> > with a lot of arithmetics slower... spoken "plain"), for
> > a G3 a speed which clearly "beats" 040 speed (Double 040
> > to 060 speed) should be expected. On an average.
>
> double 040 speed is not 060 speed.....as we've already
> established many many times

You're looking for things to argue that aren't there.

He said double 040 to 060 speed. That's

twice 040 speed <= actual speed <= 060 speed

> > With a G3 you would get 3-5 times the speed of an 060.
>
> I'd really like to see that.
>
> and sorry, but the G4 would be better..as they come at hiher
> clock speeds and have several new core instructions which are
> present in the 060 - quite interesting options

At the SAME CLOCK SPEED, a G4 is no faster than a G3 or a 604e.
Whether you'll get chips at the same speeds is highly debatable,
and therefore stupid trying to speculate at them.

But the performance enhancement of a G4 over a G3 is negligable
at best, as Haage & Partner's emulator is not yet optimised for
the G3 *or* G4 processors, and doesn't use these 'interesting'
options. So clock speed is the only factor.

And we all know - clock speed does not accurately judge the
performance of a processor.

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Hi Matthew,

On 14-Nov-99 you dislocated you fingers typing: [afb] 3.5

> might consider, but it doesn't, not even the sodding clicking drive
> was fixed! :P

Believe it or not, the drive click is actually feature of the Amiga OS, a=
nd can be turned on or off at will by the programmer simply by flicking a=
 single bit in the trackdisk.device.

And here's the proof, taken from the Amiga OS includes for trackdisk
device (which is part of the NDK 3.1):

/* flags for tdu_PubFlags */
#define TDPB_NOCLICK    0
#define TDPF_NOCLICK    (1L << 0)

:)

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----- Original Message -----
From: Ben Vost <ben.vost@futurenet.co.uk>
Subject: [afb] Re: Wordworth, or what's happened to Digita?


> > The best deal from Digita was their Office CD, everyone should have that
> > in their software collection
>
> Absolutely.

Bought that for Ww6 and Money Matters (now there's a program that needs a
modern replacement...) then bought Ww7 CD when it came out.

Basically, I loved Ww. When it came down to using that or Word 2 at school
or Word 6 at home or whatever (I'm mixing tenses here :) I would write on my
Amiga every time. I took it to uni and wrote all my essays on Ww - I wrote
my dissertation (a 20,000 word novella) - on Ww. It was the best word
processor I had ever played with.

Last week I was playing with a demo CD of WordPerfect 2000. It will probably
surprise no one to discover that I happily found I could use all of it
completely intuitively without even referencing the help file (which was
non-existant for the demo anyway). I guess Ww was based on this, huh?

Conclusion: Since Digita are not developing Ww any more, the Amiga could do
with a new word processor. Yes, I know that there's one coming out, and I
would refer it's authors to Word Perfect as an example of (for me) an
extremely good word processor. Though they probably know this already.

Failing this, hope that Corel convert WP to AmigaOS (and yes Alan, before
you say it "or use the Linux version!" ;)

TTFN,
James (sorry for going on so long)

Hello Andrew

>
>> I'm having trouble with my second hand Blizzard 1260 the clock time its
>> always wrong it must be the battery or something its Ok for a day or so
>> then gains say 40mins in a couple of days, are they easy to take out and
>> replace. I
>
>   But it works most the time right? Just get one of those time correction
> utilities on aminet, so every time you go online, if it's gained some time,
> it'll be automatically corrected.
>
>   As for changing the battery, isn't it soldered on? Anyway, you can try if
> you like, but it may be a malicious program fiddling with the clock, no a
> dead battery (as presumably if the battery was going it would reset back to
> 91 or whenever...)

and guess what is on this months AF CD yes TimeLord + SetDTS just in time for
me (crap joke I know;-) so i'll try it out

                 Cheers all the best

                       Ken

Hi,

    as anyone managed to get Euroburn the film trailer (from this months CD)
going I cannot.

See You
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                       Ken

Hi Alan,

Thanks for your time so far, here's some more info:

I can get the computer to boot if I replace the 3.5 Setpatch with the older
one, but then the 3.5 installer again prompts me to do a pre-install. Can I
assume that the 3.5 install script is checking the version of Setpatch?

If I boot with old Setpatch and no 68060.library, then I get the message:
"Can't find 68060.library!"
but pressing Continue loads Workbench. I assume then, that old Setpatch is
interacting somehow with 68060.library. In that case, is new Setpatch
attempting this also, and failing? Funnily enough, I can't find a
68060.library on the 3.5 CD, only a 68040. Perhaps it's well-hidden...

> setpatch patches a lot of ROM problems and if setpatch isnt working,
> then something drastic is wrong

Yikes! What kind of problems? I assume the ROMs are OK as the Amiga booted
into OS3.1 with no probs, and boots into pre-3.5 with the old Setpatch.
Hmm...

For my next, next trick I'll try the obvious - H&P support line.
Wish me luck.

Regards,
Jonny.
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Hi Ken,

>    as anyone managed to get Euroburn the film trailer (from this months
> CD) going I cannot.

What are you trying to use? It worked with CyberAVI (or was it QT?), and
with Moovid which can play both types anyway...

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Hi Jonathan,

> I can get the computer to boot if I replace the 3.5 Setpatch with the
> older one, but then the 3.5 installer again prompts me to do a
> pre-install. Can I assume that the 3.5 install script is checking the
> version of Setpatch?

> If I boot with old Setpatch and no 68060.library, then I get the message:
> "Can't find 68060.library!"
> but pressing Continue loads Workbench. I assume then, that old Setpatch is
> interacting somehow with 68060.library. In that case, is new Setpatch
> attempting this also, and failing? Funnily enough, I can't find a
> 68060.library on the 3.5 CD, only a 68040. Perhaps it's well-hidden...

Sorry, I missed the start of this thread. Did you say what sort of 060 card
you had? and can you repeat the info? There is no "standard" 060.library.
Different manufacturers make their own versions and replace 68040.library
with a dummy stub that calls the manufacturer's own 060 library. You need
to use the 3.5 setpatch otherwise you will be asked to install 3.5 again -
it can't work without it.

>> setpatch patches a lot of ROM problems and if setpatch isnt working,
>> then something drastic is wrong

> Yikes! What kind of problems? I assume the ROMs are OK as the Amiga booted
> into OS3.1 with no probs, and boots into pre-3.5 with the old Setpatch.
> Hmm...

Problems like not having access to memory, or certain graphics function and
many more. You can't run a stable Amiga system without it.

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hi,

> However what? The G4 is really no faster than a G3! Any
> enhancements will be in it's cache access, FPU routines,
> and the new 128-bit pipeliney thingummy. Maybe a few
> MIPS, but nothing more. Certainly nothing that will add
> to the speed of an emulator of the type Haage & Partner
> has made.

is this topic getting out of hand now? The G4 is superior to
the G3. In the same way that an 040 is to the 030. Its a whole
generation different. The G3 was not much more than a better 604e and in
fact is based on the 603 core - which is better than the 604
(convoluted for sure but true!)

> Given that no Amiga has a 350Mhz 604e, that's pretty much
> irrelevant.

but its a way of scaling. A 233MHz 604e emulates a 68k at 33MHz 040
speed therefore a 350MHz one emulates 50% faster than that - ie still
50% slower than an 060..approximately ;-)

The G4's altivec registers can also be used to emulate the 68k registers
without punishing the system performance of the G4 doing native PPC
stuff...fascinating possibilities...but really, we should await the real
thing...paper benchmarks are to be taken with a pinch of salt

alan

hi,

> Conclusion: Since Digita are not developing Ww any more, the Amiga could do
> with a new word processor. Yes, I know that there's one coming out, and I
> would refer it's authors to Word Perfect as an example of (for me) an
> extremely good word processor. Though they probably know this already.

we have Amiga Writer 2.0 coming out soon

> Failing this, hope that Corel convert WP to AmigaOS (and yes Alan, before
> you say it "or use the Linux version!" ;)

;-) that no good either. Corels' "WP for Linux" is i386 binary
distribution only....this is the problem with a lot of commercial
companies releasing stuff for Linux...they get stuck in the rut that
says 'Compile for x86 PC's' :-(

In laymans terms....if you install Linux68k or LinuxPPC on your Amiga,
you cant run these programs :-(

alan

On Mon, 15 Nov 1999, Ken Walsh wrote:

>     as anyone managed to get Euroburn the film trailer (from this months CD)
> going I cannot.

yes. works beautifully with MooVid Gold

alan

On Mon, 15 Nov 1999, Jonathan M. Dudley wrote:

> I can get the computer to boot if I replace the 3.5 Setpatch with the older
> one, but then the 3.5 installer again prompts me to do a pre-install. Can I
> assume that the 3.5 install script is checking the version of Setpatch?

probably - havent examined it :-)

> If I boot with old Setpatch and no 68060.library, then I get the message:
> "Can't find 68060.library!"

yes...the 040 library for the GVP060 is a 'dummy' for older workbenchs
and loads up the 060 stuff..if it can find it that is.

> attempting this also, and failing? Funnily enough, I can't find a
> 68060.library on the 3.5 CD, only a 68040. Perhaps it's well-hidden...

havent looked either...i just had my Phase5 040 and 060 libs ready...

> Yikes! What kind of problems? I assume the ROMs are OK as the Amiga booted
> into OS3.1 with no probs, and boots into pre-3.5 with the old Setpatch.
> Hmm...

actual code problems in the ROMs - and also fixes the HD 4.3 barrier etc
- if you run setpatch directly you'll see a list of things fixed

> For my next, next trick I'll try the obvious - H&P support line.
> Wish me luck.

:-)

alan

> hi,
>
> > However what? The G4 is really no faster than a G3! Any
> > enhancements will be in it's cache access, FPU routines,
> > and the new 128-bit pipeliney thingummy. Maybe a few
> > MIPS, but nothing more. Certainly nothing that will add
> > to the speed of an emulator of the type Haage & Partner
> > has made.
>
> is this topic getting out of hand now? The G4 is superior to
> the G3. In the same way that an 040 is to the 030. Its a whole
> generation different. The G3 was not much more than a better
> 604e and in fact is based on the 603 core - which is better
> than the 604 (convoluted for sure but true!)

The G4 is better than the G3 in the same way that the 040 is
the the 030. Agreed. But you were saying it like it was the
difference between the latest ColdFire and the 6502..

> > Given that no Amiga has a 350Mhz 604e, that's pretty much
> > irrelevant.
>
> but its a way of scaling. A 233MHz 604e emulates a 68k at 33MHz 040

Bzzr! No it doesn't. You can't quote a Mhz speed for an emulated
processor like that, there is no way of fixing it to a certain branded
CPU.

If anyone says a Mhz rating at you, kill them. Steffen was right to
quote vague speed differences ("040 speed" covers a lot of ground)

> speed therefore a 350MHz one emulates 50% faster than that - ie still
> 50% slower than an 060..approximately ;-)

There is no big thing that says a 350Mhz processor is 150% the speed of
a 233Mhz chip - it's clock is different, but the difference in speed
is not directly proportional.. mostly..

> The G4's altivec registers can also be used to emulate the 68k

Hey! Didn't I tell you that the thing isn't optimised for anything
higher than a 604e? How's it supposed to use G4 registers if it
doesn't know they exist?

> registers without punishing the system performance of the G4
> doing native PPC stuff

I fail to see how a floating point vector unit could be applied
to processor emulation.

> ...fascinating possibilities...but really, we should await the
> real thing...paper benchmarks are to be taken with a pinch of
> salt

..

Neko

On Mon, 15 Nov 1999, Sealey, M. wrote:

> The G4 is better than the G3 in the same way that the 040 is
> the the 030. Agreed. But you were saying it like it was the
> difference between the latest ColdFire and the 6502..

did it sound like i was? sorry for being too enthusiastic :-)

> There is no big thing that says a 350Mhz processor is 150% the speed of
> a 233Mhz chip - it's clock is different, but the difference in speed
> is not directly proportional.. mostly..

correct. particularly for emulation where a lot of memory access occurs

> I fail to see how a floating point vector unit could be applied
> to processor emulation.

you keep the registers of the processor being emulated in real registers
and dont affect the proccessing speed of the actual CPU

alan

hi,

incredible....absolutely incredible!

PPC accelerator for A500.

whooaah! I thought 'no...never.' then I saw....saw... <sob> that it even
adds AGA to the A500!

alan

> hi,
>
> incredible....absolutely incredible!
>
> PPC accelerator for A500.
>
> whooaah! I thought 'no...never.' then I saw....saw... <sob>
> that it even adds AGA to the A500!

Have you gone MAD?

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Computer Centre
University of Leicester

On Mon, 15 Nov 1999, Alan L.M. Buxey wrote:
> PPC accelerator for A500.
>
> whooaah! I thought 'no...never.' then I saw....saw... <sob> that it even
> adds AGA to the A500!

  Where did you see this?  I think it's a great idea if it could launch an
army of A500s from under people beds on to a new userbase.

  But then I don't know anything about it.


bye,
  Chris

> On Mon, 15 Nov 1999, Sealey, M. wrote:
>
> > The G4 is better than the G3 in the same way that the 040 is
> > the the 030. Agreed. But you were saying it like it was the
> > difference between the latest ColdFire and the 6502..
>
> did it sound like i was? sorry for being too enthusiastic :-)

;)

> > There is no big thing that says a 350Mhz processor is 150%
> > the speed of a 233Mhz chip - it's clock is different, but
> > the difference in speed is not directly proportional.. mostly..
>
> correct. particularly for emulation where a lot of memory
> access occurs

Thanks for agreeing ;)

> > I fail to see how a floating point vector unit could be applied
> > to processor emulation.
>
> you keep the registers of the processor being emulated in
> real registers and dont affect the proccessing speed of the
> actual CPU

Errmm.. and AltiVec plays what part in this? The PPC has well
enough registers to do this anyway. Given that the registers
will be swapped out on every context switch and task switch
ever it'll be neglible. You may as well keep it in main
memory and hope to Bob that it gets put in the L1 cache..

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University of Leicester

Hi Alan,

> but its a way of scaling. A 233MHz 604e emulates a 68k at 33MHz 040
> speed therefore a 350MHz one emulates 50% faster than that - ie still
> 50% slower than an 060..approximately ;-)

Fine except I didn't say 33MHz, but only 20.

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Hi Alan,

> incredible....absolutely incredible!

> PPC accelerator for A500.

> whooaah! I thought 'no...never.' then I saw....saw... <sob> that it even
> adds AGA to the A500!

Yep, it's a joke by Thomas Dellert of DCE.

All the best,
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hi,

> Yep, it's a joke by Thomas Dellert of DCE.

8-) I saw the 'Case Studie 1998' sign next to it. Must have cost a
fortune to make the multiPCB and connector...or perhaps just a cut up
and cleaned up A1200 motherboard glued to top of A500?

alan

On Mon, 15 Nov 1999, Sealey, M. wrote:

> Errmm.. and AltiVec plays what part in this? The PPC has well
> enough registers to do this anyway. Given that the registers
> will be swapped out on every context switch and task switch
> ever it'll be neglible. You may as well keep it in main
> memory and hope to Bob that it gets put in the L1 cache..

if the Amiga 68k is being emulated, rather than have the PPC as some
'frankenstein copro' as is currently the case...then there will be no
context switch, you'll still be running a 68k emulator

alan

Hi Alan,

> 8-) I saw the 'Case Studie 1998' sign next to it. Must have cost a
> fortune to make the multiPCB and connector...or perhaps just a cut up
> and cleaned up A1200 motherboard glued to top of A500?

I think it's just a Viper 520CD with a fake connector added to it...

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> On Mon, 15 Nov 1999, Sealey, M. wrote:
>
> > Errmm.. and AltiVec plays what part in this? The PPC has well
> > enough registers to do this anyway. Given that the registers
> > will be swapped out on every context switch and task switch
> > ever it'll be neglible. You may as well keep it in main
> > memory and hope to Bob that it gets put in the L1 cache..
>
> if the Amiga 68k is being emulated, rather than have the PPC as
> some 'frankenstein copro' as is currently the case...then there
> will be no context switch, you'll still be running a 68k emulator

This 68k emulator still needs to be able to execute PPC code
through WarpOS, just like it always did.

It may be a virtual context switch, but it's still there. The fact
that something somewhere will need to store it's registers before
moving to a different state. All pity the 68k emulator when it's
emulated registers do it. But the 68k and the PPC both pushing
their regs to the stack in preparation for a task switch..?

Slow!

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University of Leicester

On Mon, 15 Nov 1999, Alan L.M. Buxey wrote:
> > Yep, it's a joke by Thomas Dellert of DCE.
>
> 8-) I saw the 'Case Studie 1998' sign next to it. Must have cost a
> fortune to make the multiPCB and connector...or perhaps just a cut up
> and cleaned up A1200 motherboard glued to top of A500?

  Where is this then?  URLwise.


bye,
  Chris

> On 11-Nov-99, Andy Kinsella wrote:
>
>
> > Still on MMU's, I also have a full 030, but the MMU is shown as Not in
> > use, is it somehow knackered or what? :/
>
> Perhaps its.....SHOCK!....not in use?....unless you have vmm, a mac
emulator
> or something else active, it wouldn't be
>
> Mash -

Open a shell and type CPU FASTROM CACHE BURST
then check the status of your MMU...

Regards,
Jack

Hello James

On 15-Nov-99, you wrote:

> Last week I was playing with a demo CD of WordPerfect 2000. It will
> probably surprise no one to discover that I happily found I could use all
> of it completely intuitively without even referencing the help file (which
> was non-existant for the demo anyway). I guess Ww was based on this, huh?

Word Perfect was available for the Amiga at one time but it disapeared.

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feeling crazy, feeling nuts.

On 14-Nov-99, Andrew Gillen wrote:

> Yeah, that's right, so in theory we may get 800 odd identical replies to
> any particular question. Sure, if you know of a better / alternative way
> than send it but saying "If you can help, reply regardless of what others
> have said" is daft- it's like opening the floodgates and inviting everyone
> to reply to every message.

1) Only about 70 or so people actually post

2)lets say 10% know the answer

3) say half of them can be bothered to reply

not many will give an answer, stop panicing

Mash -
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Hey Chris

On 15-nov-99, you wrote:

>  Where did you see this?  I think it's a great idea if it could launch an
> army of A500s from under people beds on to a new userbase.
>
It was displayed at the Cologne-show as part of the Amiga Museum (which lacked
an important model, the A2000).

> bye,
>  Chris
>
Regards
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On Mon, 15 Nov 1999, Bert Volders wrote:
> It was displayed at the Cologne-show as part of the Amiga Museum (which
> lacked an important model, the A2000).

  Thanks.  I was beginning to think that I was the invisible man of the
posting world then!


bye,
  Chris

> Not enough people actually bought the current
> version of their software and
> stuck with older, cheap versions that came out in
> 94, os they gave up on
> the Amiga...

Ah, but I only now have

a) the money
b) the cpu power
c) the need to upgrade my word processor.

I considered upgrading before, but Digita did insist
on releasing, buggy, half-finished products; the
"rather quirky" version 7 mentioned in this month's
mag is an example.

After buying 3 Amigas, and owning a total of 3
versions of Ww (1, 2 and 4SE) I was loath at the time
to go buying yet another.

Ant.

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bigken@ukonline.co.uk> Hi Ken,
>
> >    as anyone managed to get Euroburn the film trailer (from this months
> > CD) going I cannot.
>
> What are you trying to use? It worked with CyberAVI (or was it QT?), and
> with Moovid which can play both types anyway...
>

OK I'll try again thanks
--
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Hello everyone,

I have been podering on the poor turnout for the polls.
It sruck me that a lot of people are using email to read and write to
egroups (I am now when Im at home due to the problems Voyager has with
egroups tables).  This of course means they arnt visiting the web site and
are not able to vote on the polls.

Is there any way to make the things votable via email?  Could egroups
introduce an email poll facility?  Or maybe a kind member of AFB whos
permanently on the web site (Matt!) could have the polls sent to him and he
could update the poll on the web.

This would ensure a lot more people answering polls and so provide a better
percentage representation - like the teachers said back in school when you
did the maths ratio tests with coins to seewhich side lands uppermost the
most - heads or tails, "the more times you flip the coin, the more reliable
the results."  100 flips gives a better chance of providing the 50%/50%
result expected than just 10 flips, where chance plays a part.

(Ooooh, what a rampble!)

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Once upon a time in the land of AF-ml,
Colin Buckenham wrote:

> Hi All

> Has anyone else had a problem loading ImageFX4 with OS3.5?
> Until I installed this, and the 3.1 Rom's, I had no problems with IFX at all
> but now it crashes the system and resets as soon as the main screen has
> loaded. I have tried doing a re-install but the results are always the
> same.
> I would be glad of any help as I am desperate to get a job finished before
> the weekend is over and I need this programme to complete ir.


There's been some discussion of this on the ImageFX mailing list. You
might like to try some of the following:

1. rename default.prefs
2. rename ghost.iff and Backdrop.iff

3. use old LIBS:datatypes.library
4. use old SYS:Classes/DataTypes/picture.datatype


Nyk
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Hello All,

I recently got a 2.5" 540Mb HD. I plugged it in, found my WB disk and
proceeded to set the drive up....

Using HDToolBox I did a Low-Level format, partitioned the drive into 3,
adjusted maxtransfer (0x1fe00 for all partitions) and saved changes. HDTB
told me to reboot which I did, my amiga booted ok and i went to format the
partitoins. dh0 formatted ok. dh1 stopped at 20%, hd light on but no actual
formatting activity, I tried to cancel but nothing happened. After waiting
for a few mins I turned the computer off....

When I rebooted my amiga it would not recognise the hd in any shape or form,
even ignores it in the early-boot menu. I have tried the drive in 2
different PCs both of them refuse to recognise the drive even though thay
still manage to interrogate the device.

Have I killed it, or is there hope?

Any help would be appreciated,

Thanks,

Shurm.
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> On Sun, Nov 14, 1999 at 11:15:00PM +0100, Darren Silcock wrote:
>> <tsb>
>> Weirdscience sell it (I think)

> Would it be possible to properly quote stuff you're replying to? It's not
> obvious that the first section is a quote, and <tsb> is something that's
> supported by a very small set of mail programs, is not part of a standard
> and should not be used on a mailing list with a variety of users with
> different mail programs. Or at all, for that matter.

Regards

point taken

Darren

Hi Andrew,

> I can't get Octamed Soundstudio to load in songs I've created in Protracker
> II.  I get an 'unrecognised file - load as ST?' message.
>
> I did a great track in Pro2 and want to wite it to CD, but need Octamed to
> write to disk.

Right, are you using PT2.3 (b,c or d)

If so, then OSS will load it without problems. If you are using an
older version, or one of the other Tracker clones then OSS may either
not be able to read it, or will take it as an older 15 Instrument Old
ST tune (like the requester says).

You could try loading it into Delitracker/Hippoplayer etc and see what
it makes of the tune (it'll tell you whether its a PT/ST tune or
StarTrekker, SoundTracker2.6 etc) Actually...are you using
SoundTracker2.6? If so, it has its own proprietary mod format which
differs to standard PT ones.

Failing that, grab a copy of ProTracker 3.15 or 3.61 from aminet and
try loading into those. If it works, justr resave it somewhere else
from that and load into OSS. It does work (for I have tried it myself,
and burnt a test CDRW of a couple of tunes I and a friend had made)

If you still aren't having any luck, bung it along to me and I'll see
if I can help.

Regards,
Steven

Hi

> > I can't say how well it will run on a 160Mhz PPC but on my 200Mhz board
> > it runs
> > just fine, you will need at least 28/29MB of FREE fastram or else
> > you'll be
>
> 29megs!!!?? why did the psx need only 2megs then?

Hahahahahhahahha!  A friend of mine has just bought Freespace 2.  Full
install=1.2GB!

Tatty byes
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steve shurman <stev-@shurm.demon.co.uk> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/afb/?start=36924
> Hello All,
>
> I recently got a 2.5" 540Mb HD. I plugged it in, found my WB disk and
> proceeded to set the drive up....
>
> Using HDToolBox I did a Low-Level format,


Ooops! There's your answer. You low levelled an IDE device. Not a good
idea!


Steven Holmes

Hi,

Just thought I'd let you all in on my pretty interesting day of work
experience (don't worry, I'll be over at the end of the week :). Why is it
that people at work complain about having to work? :) I like it. I never want
to go home, but alas, we have to. Anyway, today, we managed to cosk up 4
machines, two of which now can't be used at all. It all started when we were
getting ready for a test of the proxy server that the school is going to do.
For some reason, the proxy server doesn't like machines with a certain IP
address.

Andway, we barged into someone's lesson like we owned the place (have to add
some humour, or this'd get very boring :). And started throwing people off
machines because we wanted to change the IP addresses of the machines. One of
the machines decided to tell us that there was a protection error and windows
must be restarted. It asked whether we should start up in Safe mode, which we
did. Tried some stuff to sort it out, and resstarted. Windows Protection
Error. Damn

So, out came Norton Ghost, and we began making an image of one of the working
hard disks to copy it across (believe me, it's much more straightforward than
trying to sort out the problem). Anyway, while that was happening, I went on
to finish the IP addresses. And found one machine with a blue mouse pointer,
which needed changing, which we couldn't do because someone had messed up
something, and nothing worked.

And then on my travels, I found a computer with a really messed up colour
scheme. Which also coouldn't be restored for whatever reason. Anyway, I got
fiddling with the registry editor, and my dad suggested we replace the
registry. So into network neighbourhood I went to find a machine which was
switched on to nick it's registry. Whjch I did, and which cocked up the
machine, meaning it wouldn't work, (protection errors). And for some reason,
another machine just popped up a registry error, and refused to boot at all.

And we'll have to sort it out tomorrow. Anyway, I'll go now :)

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Steve Shurman wrote:

> I recently got a 2.5" 540Mb HD. I plugged it in, found my WB disk and
> proceeded to set the drive up....
>
> Using HDToolBox I did a Low-Level format

[snip]

Not on an IDE drive I hope. That may be the problem.

Regards,
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On Mon, Nov 15, 1999 at 08:21:55PM +0100, Darren Silcock wrote:
> point taken

Ta muchly - that's much better.

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On 15-Nov-99 11:57:44 GMT, riksweeney wrote:

>> Well appart from creating some of the best (68k & PPC) datatypes

Having done various tests, I've always found akJFIF and akPNG to be
slow compared to the simpler, but just a powerful, datatypes on
Aminet (i.e the v44 ones by Gunther Nikl).  I haven't used ak*
datatypes for ages now - IMHO, they are certainly not the best.

>> around, superview will load almost any image format in existance and
>> then save it out to any format in existance. Which i admist is not
>> amazing, but its what datatypes should always have been.
>>
> I've tried his datatypes and yes they are good (PPC) but making us pay
> for them? What? In my opinion that's just money grabbing. What we need

To some extent, I agree, especially as most of the code in the PNG and
JPEG is probably not his (i.e. the libpng and libjpeg link libs).  However,
he doesn't ask a great deal for them (a fiver).

> are PPC datatypes in an update for OS3.5, not just for JPG and PNG, but
> for GIF and animation and BMP and TIF.

I agree.  In fact, I think it's about time I started to learn how to code
PPC stuff, and my first project is going to be a JPEG datatype for
WarpOS.  Once I get that working, a PNG datatype will be easy :)

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<tsb>

On Mon Nov 15,

> > 29megs!!!?? why did the psx need only 2megs then?

> I don't know, all I know is that I keep getting WarpOS exceptions when
> I've got less then 29 MB of free fastram !
> And that the game runs fine when I've got 29MB of free fast ram.

I don't really know what I'm talking about, but:
When you've got less than 29MB free, surely something is using up the
RAM which is otherwise available (ie when you've got more than 29MB).
Could it be this thing, using the extra memory, which mucks it up?

Or are you talking about physically removing some RAM?

> > Mash -

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Hi

On 15-Nov-99 06:19:29, Chris Faircloth (chrisfa@ihug.co.nz) wrote:

> Hello Peter

> On 15-Nov-99, you wrote:

>>> <even bigger sigh>
>>> Yes I do see, but I won't buy a product just on the promise that the next
>>> one will be worth having. We've had plenty of promises broken
>>> to know how much they're worth.

>> <the biggest sigh that has ever been sighed in the whole world ever>
>>Look at it from H&P's point of view. They've been charged with the
>>task of bringing a 5 year old OS up to date in almost no time at all.

AmigaOS is a lot more than 5 years old... more like 15. Bits of it have been
updated a lot, but the basic way things work haven't changed much.

>>If theres no interest in what they're doing, they're wasting a LOT of
>>time and effort for nowt.

Yes, they are wasting a lot of time and effort for nowt... they should spend
it on important stuff, like fixing their incredibly buggy, broken compiler
for a start... and seeing as OS 3.5 is compiled with it, well... oh dear :)

>> Personally, I want an OS3.6, 3.7, etc. so

IF OS 3.5 is anything to go by, I'm not interested... in fact, tbh even if
it isn't, I have better things to spend my money on than a hopelessly out of
date OS.

>>I'm buying OS3.5. Plus, don't you want less patches on your system?!

Yes, but from what I've seen of OS3.5, it won't help me much.

BTW, I had to reformat the above 10 lines manually... death to all those who
use non std quoting symbols!

> I coucur wholeheartely, it has taken a lot of us a fair while to get our
> systems to where we are happy with them (full of hacks and kludges that
> they are) and now we expect H&P to come up with a world beater. This of
> course is possible,

No, it isn't. Bringing AmigaOS up to date is IMPOSSIBLE. Memory protection,
resource tracking, virtual memory and so on all have insurmountable
problems associated with them, ones that can only be solved by dropping
compatibility completely... even then, I'm not sure copying AmigaOS is such
a good idea for a new OS... much better just to take concepts from it.

And I *DARE* anyone to mention Win9n as an example of how MP and non MP
applications can live together 3:)

> but not with the current chip set, and the only way
> we are going to get a new chip set is to prove with our money to H&P
> that there is a market out there.

What the hell does the "current chip set" have to do with ANYTHING?

Do you mean the 68k? Trust me, that isn't the problem when it comes to MP,
VMM, resource tracking etc, the problem is most Amiga applications rely on
certain things you can't have with these... such as full read-write access
to various structures. Resource tracking requires constructors and
destructors for everything, which just don't exist.

> I have OS3.5 and sure it has
> shortcomings but it is a start and IMHO not a bad base to work from, and
> hopefully some of these shortcomings will be rectified over time.

Not any of the important ones, sorry.

> So to all you people who have not got 3.5 yet, get it, you wont regret it.

No thank you, I have better things to spend my money on than an OS compiled
on a shite compiler, with some "updated" libraries and new prefs tools which
I never use anyway. And I do not see the "don't you want OS 3.6???" argument
as being valid, seeing as H&P cannot possibly provide what I want in a new
OS.

Mmmm... Zip drive... CD-R... 17" monitor.... 20GB HD... new PC.... V...
AmIRC 3.*.... all things I'd much rather spend my money on.

Regards

Tom
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"Bother," said Pooh, as the the drug squad broke down the door.

Hi

On 08-Nov-99 12:42:47, Matthew O'Neill (oneillmatthew@hotmail.com) wrote:

>>BTW, would someone mind printing a (very simple to understand)
>>explanation to convince my Dad that running the client on his PC offers
>>absolutely no potential virus situation (that is the case isn`t it?).

> Does running quake give you a virus?

it's interesting you should say that, seeing as Quake is about the most
backdoored application on the planet :0)

Regards

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Turn your PC into a DC-10: add OS/2 and then crash!

Hi

On 07-Nov-99 12:27:42, Tim Seifert (tim_seifert@picknowl.com.au) wrote:

> I didn't have that problem (because I don't have a ROOT user). but I was
> trying to figure out the IDentD thingy in AmIRC (the tickbox on mine was
> permanently ghosted out).

That's because most Amiga TCP stacks have an identd/auth server built in.

> I temporarily deactived the auth service in InetD (I use Miami, by the
> way), then AmIRC allowed me to change the setting in that tickbox.  If
> you have an IDent (auth) service already running, AmIRC will use it,
> and won't let you use it's own.

Erm, you don't want to use it's own if you can help it.

Miami -> TCP/IP -> Username

> I've only briefly looked at Genesis and AmiTCP, both are nasty pieces of
> work.

Erm, in what way? The filesystem db is certainly a much better idea than the
really STUPID way Miami does it.

> But I wonder this:  Is there somewhere you select the user that
> you log on with, from the list of possible entries in the user database?

AFAIK you just change the user at the top of the user list.

Regards

Tom
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I have a spelling chequer. It came with my pea sea. It plane lee
marques for my revue miss steaks eye can knot sea.

Hi

On 08-Nov-99 12:56:59, Alan L.M. Buxey (kcci1@central.susx.ac.uk) wrote:

> it *does* contain some bugs...use the older (current) version to
> actually do your flushing and fetching, and use the new 'beta'
>  to do the cracking.

> why? Because this new version is about 30-50% faster on the 680x0 CPUs!
> yes!  147kkeys/s on an 060 is sure better than 114 kkeys/s. the 030 and
> 020 have huge boosts.

I get an extra 1kkey/sec from the new client on my '040.  19kkeys/sec,
wow... 3 blocks/day; an incredible 0.3% increase on my keyrate when not
using the 68k. I'd rather save the electricity; 3 blocks is nothing.

> A new proper client will be available in a month's time (or so.....) and
> will feature all the new rc5de client parts - FIFO buffers (your first
> keys in are your first out) and bigger buffers etc etc

I'm more interested in an updated PPC client.

Regards

Tom
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"F*ck it" said Pooh, being more forthright than usual.

Hi

On 08-Nov-99 12:02:36, Alan L.M. Buxey (kcci1@central.susx.ac.uk) wrote:

> HD Caching

Errr, I'm not running OS 3.5, and yet...

23.MoreApps:> getbuffers ""
256

So...?

Acutally, speaking of disk caches, does anybody know of a good disk cacheing
commodity which isn't DynamiCache (it crashes and burns here :/)

Regards

Tom
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PLANE.COM Crashing: (A)bort (R)etry (K)iss your ASCII goodbye.

Hi

On 11-Nov-99 11:02:58, Neil Bothwick (neil@wire.net.uk) wrote:

> Anthony Prime said,

>> Unless you never leave the house at weekends, I would seriously look
>> at Claranet,

> Have a look at the thread on uk.net about Clara hosting spammers.
> Basically, someone complained about a web site promoting spam software
> and Clara said "we don't care". It was disturbing to see that an ISP
> like this takes such an attitude to spam, one that could result in their
> mail servers being blacklisted.

I have it on _*GOOD*_ authority that this is NOT true.

"I happen to know that was not the case, the story posted to the newsgroups
was not entirely the true story. clara closed the site and subsequent ones"

Clara also host an ARCNet server, so anyone who uses them will have one at
most 4 hops away :)

Regards

Tom
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Apple Mac: Computer with training wheels you can't remove

Hi

On 10-Nov-99 22:02:08, Anthony Prime (anthony@prime.clara.co.uk) wrote:

> Unless you never leave the house at weekends,

I don't... :)

> I would seriously look
> at Claranet, as I have found their freetime options to be very good.
> 14.99 per month buys 35 hours of free offpeak time, and any extra is
> charged at BT rate minus 20%. Peak rate simply uses your inclusive
> minutes at around 3 per minute online.

I get 80 hours a month for 29.95, which is pretty good for my usage.

I have it on good authority that other interesting things are happening in
this area... erm... although this is hardly surpising :)

I use BT for weekend dialup, even though they are excruciatingly slow... the
only time I've had decent download rates from them was when someone smurfed
me for 20 minutes :/

Regards

Tom
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Stack Error: Lost on a cluttered desk...

Hi

On 10-Nov-99 10:27:35, Tim Seifert (tim_seifert@picknowl.com.au) wrote:

> Hello Thomas,

>> Yes, don't use an imagemap, because they are the suckiest addon to
>> HTML ever devised and do a great job of making users leave your side
>> without touching a link.

> Leave your side?  ;-) Just what sort of attraction do you have on your
> website?

ATM, a table... :)

Honestly, I really, really hate sites which overuse GFX... this includes
using them for image maps, buttons banners 'n stuff. All it does it make the
site take 10 times as long to load, use 20 times the memory and make it take
30 times longer to layout (ok, so not quite, but you get the idea).

I'm a big advocate of keeping it simple. 99% of problems with html would be
erradicated if people just stuck to the basics, and didn't use crap like
frames, JavaScript etc. In 99% of cases, this would also make sites much
easier to navigate and nicer to read on anything other than a T3...

> But seriously (cue silly noises), image maps are a thorough pain in
> several ways:  your site becomes virtually inaccessible for the blind;
> new web users don't always realise the image map goes to different
> URIs, depending upon where abouts it's clicked; pages are unnavigatable
> if you don't load images...

If you don't load images, an awful lot of sites end up being mostly boxes...

http://www.oos.org/

See how simple the site is, see how easy it is to navigate, see how quickly
it loads on even the slowest of links, see how it displays on any browser on
the face of the planet.

AmiSITE 3 will have a version like that, and the full version probably won't
be much bigger ;)

Regards

Tom
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"Bother," said Pooh, as he fell into the pits of Hell.

Hi

On 10-Nov-99 11:03:05, Neil Bothwick (neil@wire.net.uk) wrote:

> Tim Seifert said,

>> But seriously (cue silly noises), image maps are a thorough pain in
>> several ways:  your site becomes virtually inaccessible for the blind;
>> new web users don't always realise the image map goes to different
>> URIs, depending upon where abouts it's clicked; pages are unnavigatable
>> if you don't load images...

> The latter is the fault of the browsers. They should display the ALT
> text when the image isn't loaded. A blind user should be OK because
> a speaking browser ought to handle the ALT text. If there's no ALT text
> it's the fault of the page author, and just as limiting as individual
> images without such text.

ALT doesn't work on image maps, besides which, having a bloody great big
empty box on a web page is still irritating.

> Client side image maps are a good idea that suffers in the
> implementation.

Bah, I bet you're one of those who think the <img> tag was a good idea too
<vbg>

Regards

Tom
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You know you've been hacking too long when...
...you pick up a rootbeer and read the label as "High Res", not Hires.

Hi

On 12-Nov-99 11:35:53, amimjf (amimjf@hotmail.com) wrote:

> try running enforcer or
> VMM and if it crashes horrably, your MMU`s dead.

Both can crash horribly anyway. Enforcer doesn't work with p5's CPU libs,
use CyberGuard or (WarpOS only, PPC users) MuForce. VMM isn't very OS
friendly, so it's a terrible test of the MMU...

You could try booting an m68k Linux/BSD kernel, they require an MMU.

Regards

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You want it in one line?  Does it have to fit in 80 columns?   :-)
                --Larry Wall in <7349@jpl-devvax.JPL.NASA.GOV>

Hi

On 12-Nov-99 16:56:25, Alan L.M. Buxey (kcci1@central.susx.ac.uk) wrote:

> On 11 Nov 1999, Thomas Hurst wrote:

>> conference... still having Thor on a FFS partition makes conferences
>> that big unbelievably slow (i.e. it takes longer to add messages to the
>> database

> try adding some extra buffers to the HD parition

More than 1024?...

> ..and do you use a HD cache util? if not, then do so

Like what? DynamiCache just crashes.

>> waiting for me... this is because Thor is totally refusing to create a
>> uidl file,

I moved Thor to an SFS partiton, and now all is well... much faster, too

>> and as I leave a few days mail on the server... this is
>> very, very bad.. if anyone has had this problem and fixed it please get
>> in touch with me via ICQ at 17701673, or IR (ARCNet and IRCNet #amiga).

> why ot try YAM for AFB? Its free and its brilliant!

LOL, if I wanted to use a buggy, memory guzzling, slow emailer I would, but
I seriously doubt Yam and any filesystem on earth would cope with my
workload very well :D

Besides, AFB is not important to me, I'd sooner unsubscribe than do much to
be able to read it...

Regards

Tom
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WinErr f24: Insufficient CPU cooling detected.  Windows has permanently
            reset your CPU clock to 3 MHz to ensure system stability.

I was just going to bed, when Alex Furmanski wrote this and I just HAD to read it:

> Today's lie:  Paul C is good

Heh?!

Paul C, what've I done?
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Hi Samuel,

On 15-Nov-99 you wrote:

> I have been podering on the poor turnout for the polls.
> It sruck me that a lot of people are using email to read and write to
> egroups (I am now when Im at home due to the problems Voyager has with
> egroups tables).  This of course means they arnt visiting the web site and
> are not able to vote on the polls.

> Is there any way to make the things votable via email? Could egroups
> introduce an email poll facility?

Actually, I already suggested this not long ago - some people liked the
idea, some didn't and egroups (damn them!) replied to my suggestion that they implement this option with "we'll look into it".

Since it hasn't happened yet, either eGroups (damn them!) couldn't be arsed
to do anything about it or no one else bothered to email them to ask for
this option (suggesting that it would be a waste of time adding the option
anyway - if no bugger can be bothered to email eGroups (damn them!) then
they're not going to bother replying to polls).

> Or maybe a kind member of AFB whos
> permanently on the web site (Matt!) could have the polls sent to him and
> he could update the poll on the web.

It doesn't work like that - one member, one vote.

[snip]

> (Ooooh, what a rampble!)

Or ramble even - pity I'd already suggested it ;p

Martin.
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Dear ALL,

I got my copy of OS3.5 from Power and I cant install it on my A2000!!!

Do OS3.5 CD have different version for A500/A2000 and A1200/A3000/A4000??

My Kickstart version only V40.63 and according to my OS3.5 manual that I
need version of Kickstart V40.68. please help!!

The problem is when I clicked the Install 3.5 and a red&yellow screen
pop-up, a little window said WORKING ON INSTALLATION and then seem
freezed!! My A2000 config is listed below!!

HELP ME PLEASE!

Alex
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Mail: raiden@netvigator.com
iCQ : 34651363
-------------------------------------------------------------------
A2000-Rev4.2-OSV3.1-KickstartV40.63-WorkbenchV40.42
Blizzard2060-50Mhz-128Mb-6Gig-SCSI2-SONYCPDG200-17'-FD Trinitron
PicassoIV-Picasso96V1.43B-I/O Extender-2xSerial-1xParallel
3Com V.Everything Modems-Fujitsu640M TurboMO Drive
Plextor32XCDROM Drive-Ariadne2 Network

> Right then lets see if one of you great minds can come up with a
anwser
> to this. How can i "login" or 'set' the current user ? I am using
> mSQL and managed to chown the directory so the sever will start, but i
> dont have acess permisions cos i cant "login"as the admin user.

Not sure if this will work for mSQL, (cos I havent got round to
installing it yet)..but AFAIK, the username is just an ENV called
USERNAME (or just USER for some progs)..so just do a setenv USERNAME
<name> and it should work fine.
 Also, if you have a TCP stack running, the current user name is set
from that, so you may have to set up another user to match whatever the
SQL needs it to be.
Hope this helps..
Wookie

On 15-Nov-99 19:33:44 GMT, Samuel Byford wrote:

> I have been podering on the poor turnout for the polls.
> It sruck me that a lot of people are using email to read and write to
> egroups (I am now when Im at home due to the problems Voyager has with
> egroups tables).  This of course means they arnt visiting the web site
> and are not able to vote on the polls.

Maybe, but on the other hand, it could be argued that people who read
the site via the web may not bother to read the poll mails, so they don't
know when new polls are made, and they probably don't go to the polls
page (on a regular basis, at least).

At least everybody who is subbed via e-mail knows about new polls, and
I don't know what could be easier - all I have to do is to click the
poll link in the mail and the poll page is loaded in my browser, and
then I make my choice.  What's so difficult about that?  I would guess
that the majority of people who respond to polls are subbed to the
list using e-mail - not the web!

I think the real reason is that most people either don't care about
the polls, they are too lazy or they can't be bothered!

> Is there any way to make the things votable via email?  Could egroups
> introduce an email poll facility?  Or maybe a kind member of AFB whos

IMHO, this would be even more hassle then clicking a button in THOR
(or YAM :) and clicking a couple more in the web browser!  Having said
that, it is perhaps a good idea - some people may prefer that method.
eGroups don't offer e-mail polls at the moment - does anyone know if
ONElist do?  The reason I ask is because eGroups and ONElist (the
companies) have now merged, in case nobody has heard :)

> permanently on the web site (Matt!) could have the polls sent to him and
> he could update the poll on the web.

This wouldn't work, as only one poll entry per user is counted on the
website.

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On 15 Nov 1999, Oliver Roberts wrote:
> I think the real reason is that most people either don't care about
> the polls, they are too lazy or they can't be bothered!

  Maybe, but I think that it's more that they go online primarily to fetch
their mail, then go offline.  The first they know about the poll is when
they already clicked offline and are halfway down their mails.  ...and
seeing that only about 10% of the list members ever post messages or
replys then I doubt that they'll save it for when reconnecting (the next
day).

  This is what I'd be like if I didn't have a permanent connection.  A
email reply poll wouldn't be amazingly hard for them to implement anyway.


bye,
  Chris

Hello Everybody,

Specifically my bank, Royal Bank of Scotland, account number....ooops
nearly ;-)

At the moment the service is only available for people using IE4+ and
Win95, 98 or NT4.  No Mac/Unix/OS2/Amiga/ Oric Atmos or anything else.

They state that they use 168 bit triple DES encryption and that their
PC banking system uses Active X for security purposes and that
currently no other browser/OS provides for the security they need
(which I find kind of hard to believe in at least the Unix case).  Now
before I send them an e-mail voicing my general disapproval  and empty
threats to take my overdraft elsewhere ;-)  do they have any real
grounds for this ?  I know Active X is Windows only but surely the DES
stuff is freely available for implementation ?  I'm a little out of my
depth with security issues so anyone a little bit more up to date.

Carl
Accy, Lancs.

> So into network neighbourhood I went to find a machine which was
> switched on to nick it's registry. Whjch I did, and which cocked up
the
> machine, meaning it wouldn't work, (protection errors)....

That's because you've chose two computers to have the same IP address.
There's a program that can do that deliberately (On the net).
What it does is, it changes your machines IP address to the specified
one, and crashes the original machine (Well, GPE - but it cuts out
thier 'Net connection!).

Err...apparantly...:o)

Enough of Windows...I'm off to fix my bloody hard drive!

Pete.

PS You can tell what *I* do at college all day, can't you?

Hi,
    I sell u a PPC160, 040 25 full for $399

Cya,

OmnI
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----------
>From:
>Date: dom., 14 novi 1999 17:39
>

> Hey!  You can't wait to get a G4 accelerator, can you?
>  No?  Then sell me your old and unwanted PPC board!
> Preferably a nice cheapy one, SCSI not necessary, nor
> is any RAM.  An 040/25+603e/160 will do fine.
>
> Ant.
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> AFB: All polls MUST have dates!
>
>
> eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/afb
> http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications
>
>
>

Hi Ben,

> Sorry, I missed the start of this thread. Did you say what sort of 060 card
> you had? and can you repeat the info? There is no "standard" 060.library.
> Different manufacturers make their own versions and replace 68040.library
> with a dummy stub that calls the manufacturer's own 060 library. You need
> to use the 3.5 setpatch otherwise you will be asked to install 3.5 again -
> it can't work without it.

It's a GVP G-Force.
I'm in a catch 22 situation here. The Amiga boots with the old Setpatch but
not with the new one and 3.5 won't install without the new one.  :(

I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that 3.5 isn't as 060-friendly as it
claims to be. Either that, or the GVP setup is peculiar. Whatever, 3.5 hates
this board, or its library - it starts to boot, then the power light briefly
dims and - nothing. I wonder if I could use another 060 library, assuming I
could get my hands on one? I need some kind of drastic work-around.

Regards,
Jonny.

P.S. Where the hell did I put my Emplant manual and software?  ;)
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I especially like the whooshing sound they make as they go flying by.

Hi Thomas,

> No thank you, I have better things to spend my money on than an OS
> compiled on a shite compiler, with some "updated" libraries and new prefs
> tools which I never use anyway. And I do not see the "don't you want OS
> 3.6???" argument as being valid, seeing as H&P cannot possibly provide
> what I want in a new OS.

Actually, not very much of it was compiled on Storm C. Most of it is still
in SAS/C, so that was used.

All the best,
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             PGP key available upon request
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try this: http://www.dilbert.com

I have 166mhz 040 64mb powerpc for sale =A3250 o.n.o.
 Any one interested?

> At the moment the service is only available for people using IE4+ and
> Win95, 98 or NT4.  No Mac/Unix/OS2/Amiga/ Oric Atmos or anything else.
>
> They state that they use 168 bit triple DES encryption and that their
> PC banking system uses Active X for security purposes and that
> currently no other browser/OS provides for the security they need
> (which I find kind of hard to believe in at least the Unix case).

And they'd be right, you can't get 168bit triple DES encryption in
any browser other than the ones in Windows, using ActiveX to access
Windows' own encryption libraries means it ties it to IE4 or 5.

> threats to take my overdraft elsewhere ;-)  do they have any real
> grounds for this?

Yes. They can't do it any other way. You'll be hard pushed to find
a bank doing it AS SECURE in any other way.

So unless you want your account details spread across the net..

> DES stuff is freely available for implementation?

Like *fun* it is ;)

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Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

> > No thank you, I have better things to spend my money on than an OS
> > compiled on a shite compiler, with some "updated" libraries and new
> > prefs tools which I never use anyway. And I do not see the "don't
> > you want OS 3.6???" argument as being valid, seeing as H&P cannot
> > possibly provide what I want in a new OS.
>
> Actually, not very much of it was compiled on Storm C.

None at all, I heard.

> Most of it is still in SAS/C, so that was used.

Olaf told me that it was all in Lattice C when he got it. Apparently
he's got the only working building setup of the kickstart ROMs, as
he munged them all to SAS/C and worked them into compiling.

Some of the printer drivers were compiled in StormC, anything that
requires WarpOS (bar WarpOS itself) would have been.

Everything else, as Ben says, is compiled in SAS/C 6.58 which just
happens to be the best Amiga C compiler on the planet (with VBCC
being a close catchup :)

Anyway, you can't judge an OS on it's compiler. You're all just
thinking up random excuses for the sake of it. What have you got
to lose from buying OS3.5 apart from some kind of twisted pride
for screwing the rest of us out of any updates?

;)

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University of Leicester

On Mon, 15 Nov 1999, Sealey, M. wrote:

> This 68k emulator still needs to be able to execute PPC code
> through WarpOS, just like it always did.

WarpOs would be changed to accomodate this change in behaviour... and
most PPC programs would be compiled to be native, rather than start with
68k code ;-)

alan

> On Mon, 15 Nov 1999, Sealey, M. wrote:
>
> > This 68k emulator still needs to be able to execute PPC code
> > through WarpOS, just like it always did.
>
> WarpOs would be changed to accomodate this change in behaviour... and
> most PPC programs would be compiled to be native, rather than
> start with 68k code ;-)

Most? I don't see how - LoadSeg() is still a 68k based function, and
therefore whether programs are compiled native or not, the 68k will
play a part in EVERY program execution until they rework Exec..

See, you KNOW I'm right ;)

Neko

Hi david@pacart.freeserve.co.uk,

> I have 166mhz 040 64mb powerpc for sale =A3250 o.n.o.
> Any one interested?

This isn't a for sale list, there are plenty of those. I don't want to se=
e
anyone posting this kind of info to this list.

All the best,
-- =

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+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Why doesn't onomatopoeia sound like what it means?

On Mon, 15 Nov 1999, Chris Andrews wrote:

>   Where is this then?  URLwise.

keep up with the 'news'! ;-)


http://www.amiga-news.de/archiv/131199messe1.html  has show info/pics

http://www.javasoft.cz/amiga/computer99.html   has the other stuff!

loads of pictures to download if you are at home!

alan

On Mon, 15 Nov 1999, Samuel Byford wrote:

> I have been podering on the poor turnout for the polls.
> It sruck me that a lot of people are using email to read and write to
> egroups (I am now when Im at home due to the problems Voyager has with
> egroups tables).  This of course means they arnt visiting the web site and
> are not able to vote on the polls.

I visit the web site once a week to do the polls...but if an email
system could be done..


alan

On Mon, 15 Nov 1999, Darren Silcock wrote:

> > Would it be possible to properly quote stuff you're replying to? It's not
> > obvious that the first section is a quote, and <tsb> is something that's
> > supported by a very small set of mail programs, is not part of a standard
> > and should not be used on a mailing list with a variety of users with
> > different mail programs. Or at all, for that matter.

what is <tsb> anyway?? (apart from an old UK bank ;-) )

alan

hi,

yes yes..all very well and good..but this is an Amiga list and we
already know how crap Windows PC's are in general.

by the way, you cant just copy regsitry files of different PC's to each
other unless they have exactly the same programs installed in the same
places, and exactly the same hardware - and various other identical
traits.

alan

On 15 Nov 1999, Thomas Hurst wrote:

> Mmmm... Zip drive... CD-R... 17" monitor.... 20GB HD... new PC.... V=B3..=
=2E
> AmIRC 3.*.... all things I'd much rather spend my money on.

sure...but with os3.5 that 20Gb HD would actually be supported without
patches hanging out of every crevice

alan

> by the way, you cant just copy regsitry files of different
> PC's to each other unless they have exactly the same programs
> installed in the same places, and exactly the same hardware -
> and various other identical traits.

I'm afraid it's not good practice to do it EVER EVER EVER IN
A MILLION YEARS, due to obvious things like PnP and security
stuff.

Oh, and Microsoft don't support cloned workstations ;)

<Klingon> This thread ends.. now </Klingon>

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On 15 Nov 1999, Thomas Hurst wrote:

> > HD Caching
>
> Errr, I'm not running OS 3.5, and yet...
>
> 23.MoreApps:> getbuffers ""
> 256
>
> So...?

thats just buffers, its not a proper location/file cache

> Acutally, speaking of disk caches, does anybody know of a good disk cacheing
> commodity which isn't DynamiCache (it crashes and burns here :/)

dunno. I use Hypercache

alan

> http://www.javasoft.cz/amiga/computer99.html   has the other stuff!

And a great looking monitor switcher too. The perfect addition to a
scandoubler-less Amiga with a doubtful BVision GFX card...

Paul
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I lost my CGX drivers the other day and am having to get them off the
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got 41.21 now but I can't test it without going home. Can anyone save a
a trip in the cold and tell me if this is right? Basically I want my
Warp3D to work again. Cheers.

steve shurman wrote:

> Using HDToolBox I did a Low-Level format
Dough !,.. only on SCSI devices.. well if your IDE drive was stupid
enough to let you do a LLFormat, its not worth having. Modern drives
wont let you do this.


> Member Amiga RC5 Team.
not any longer !!!!

-matthew

I'm thinking of formating some of my partitions using this, and I was
wondering if anyone on AFB had any horror stories to tell me about.
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_Replying to a message_:

  From:  Thomas Hurst <tom.hurst@clara.net>
   Via:  Amiga Format mailing list <afb@egroups.com>
 Dated:  Monday, 15-Nov-99, 20:47:22
 About:  [afb] Re: webmap


Hello Thomas,

>>> But seriously (cue silly noises), image maps are a thorough pain in
>>> several ways: your site becomes virtually inaccessible for the
>>> blind; new web users don't always realise the image map goes to
>>> different URIs, depending upon where abouts it's clicked; pages are
>>> unnavigatable if you don't load images...

>> The latter is the fault of the browsers. They should display the ALT
>> text when the image isn't loaded. A blind user should be OK because a
>> speaking browser ought to handle the ALT text. If there's no ALT text
>> it's the fault of the page author, and just as limiting as individual
>> images without such text.

Please try to navigate one of these sites without sight.  Even just
using them without graphics, for a person with sight, is difficult, as
you'll not have a clue about the links.  And if they've not bothered to
put in the image dimensions (for the whole map), you won't get a big
blank box with different clickable locations, you'll get a little icon
that's /completely/ useless.

> ALT doesn't work on image maps, besides which, having a bloody great
> big empty box on a web page is still irritating.

I think it does, but you'd only get one alt text for the whole graphic,
and no way of knowing about the different paths you could follow.

I can think of more than just a few sites where there is no alt text at
all, and others with completely useless alt text (like my banks site -
there's text there, randomly identifying that one graphic is different
from the next, but it gives no indication of the links purpose, they
could have least put "balance," "help," etc into the alt text).

One day I'm going to send them a job application:

i wont a job wiv u ware i can porgarm ure web sit thot dunt werk on most
broasers and got paid well 4 it tu

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_Replying to a message_:

  From:  amipal@yahoo.com <amipal@yahoo.com>
   Via:  Amiga Format mailing list <afb@egroups.com>
 Dated:  Tuesday, 16-Nov-99, 01:35:13
 About:  [afb] Re: OS3.5 Problem


Hello amipal@yahoo.com,

>>> I can't even get into the installation selection screen. It's
>>> probably something simple but I'm stuck, I'm not sure whether it's
>>> a problem with my set-up or with the program.

>> Try copying the Installer program from the OS3.5 CD into your C:
>> directory. It should be in the same directory on the CD as the
>> install icon (do a "Show All Files", it's called Installer ;)

You'd think the first thing an installer would check for would be a
usable version of the installer program itself.

> Alternatively try a bog standard manual installation. It can't hurt
> can it?

I hope that is possible.  I'd hate things to go the windows way, where
if one file gets corrupted, you virtually have to reinstall the whole
system (it's too complicated to try manually getting one file out of
the windows disk).

Bye,
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_Replying to a message_:

  From:  Oliver Roberts <oliver.roberts@iname.com>
   Via:  Amiga Format mailing list <afb@egroups.com>
 Dated:  Tuesday, 16-Nov-99, 09:52:02
 About:  [afb] Re: Poll users


Hello Oliver,

>> I have been podering on the poor turnout for the polls.

> At least everybody who is subbed via e-mail knows about new polls, and
> I don't know what could be easier - all I have to do is to click the
> poll link in the mail and the poll page is loaded in my browser, and
> then I make my choice.  What's so difficult about that?

Hmm lets see...  I can think of a few reasons for not doing polls.

Web page access to egroups failing quite often, egroups not liking my
browser being the usual reason.

Reading e-mail off-line.

People who rarely, if ever, look at any web pages.

Various polls without a suitable choice for me to pick.

Various polls about stupid things.

Bye,
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_Replying to a message_:

  From:  Thomas Hurst <tom.hurst@clara.net>
   Via:  Amiga Format mailing list <afb@egroups.com>
 Dated:  Monday, 15-Nov-99, 20:45:18
 About:  [afb] Re: webmap


Hello Thomas,

> Honestly, I really, really hate sites which overuse GFX... this
> includes using them for image maps, buttons banners 'n stuff. All it
> does it make the site take 10 times as long to load, use 20 times the
> memory and make it take 30 times longer to layout (ok, so not quite,
> but you get the idea).
>
> I'm a big advocate of keeping it simple. 99% of problems with html
> would be erradicated if people just stuck to the basics, and didn't
> use crap like frames, JavaScript etc. In 99% of cases, this would also
> make sites much easier to navigate and nicer to read on anything other
> than a T3...
>
> ...[snip]...
>
> If you don't load images, an awful lot of sites end up being mostly
> boxes...

I agree, which is why my site is designed the way it is.  It's quick to
load, and has frames for those who like them, but they don't offer any
more functionality (all the same links are in the text of the site, so
frames are completely unneccesary on my site), and none of the graphics
are essential for navigation, and hopefully (barring the odd accidental
ommision), they all have /useful/ alternate text.

I don't use JavaScript at all, because it's just nasty.  There are too
many implementations and interpretations of what it should do, to be
able to make one script that will run as expected on all browsers (this
is not the same thing as doing various versions of the script for each
browser, which would work, but be a headache to program some 5 or more
versions).

And if my site doesn't work for some browser, I'll have a go at solving
the problem, unlike some so-called "webmasters".

Bye,
Tim.  (B.A. T.L.M.N.)

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_Replying to a message_:

  From:  Thomas Hurst <tom.hurst@clara.net>
   Via:  Amiga Format mailing list <afb@egroups.com>
 Dated:  Monday, 15-Nov-99, 19:41:30
 About:  [afb] Re: Using Root to login.


Hello Thomas,

>> I've only briefly looked at Genesis and AmiTCP, both are nasty pieces
>> of work.

> Erm, in what way? The filesystem db is certainly a much better idea
> than the really STUPID way Miami does it.

Well a GUI is nicer, though Genesis now works in a similar manner to
Miami's GUI.  A text based config does have it's advantages, if you
know what you're doing, but for those who don't it's ripe for real
problems (and that includes trying to get applications to run that have
woefully inadequate instructions).  And it's nicer to have a one piece
GUI to configure a system with (like Miami.... used to be, MiamiDx
isn't).

Genesis just won't connect to my ISPs for me, and I'm not completely
devoid of knowledge at configuring these types of things, so I can't
pin it down to anything in particular.

Bye,
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_Replying to a message_:

  From:  Carl Berry <mlist@cberry.prestel.co.uk>
   Via:  Amiga Format mailing list <afb@egroups.com>
 Dated:  Tuesday, 16-Nov-99, 10:33:33
 About:  [afb] On-line banking


Hello Carl,

> Specifically my bank, Royal Bank of Scotland, account number....ooops
> nearly ;-)
>
> At the moment the service is only available for people using IE4+ and
> Win95, 98 or NT4.  No Mac/Unix/OS2/Amiga/ Oric Atmos or anything else.
>
> They state that they use 168 bit triple DES encryption and that their
> PC banking system uses Active X for security purposes and that
> currently no other browser/OS provides for the security they need

Sorry I can't help on the technical reasons, but I don't beleive it
either, I'm sure other encryption techniques are more than adequate.
But I doubt they'll spend the money on changing servers to accomodate a
few users, the only way I could see them doing it, was if their
existing system was already also capable of other methods, but they'd
disabled it.

But, if the bank is so concerned about security... How secure is a
banking system that only uses 4 or 6 digits on your auto teller machine
card?  Or only verifies your signature by an employee briefly squinting
at it under a UV lamp?

By the way, did you know those lamps are responsible for giving many
bank employees cancer in the finger tips?

Bye,
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Hi all
 rather than start with 68k code ;-)
I have to disagree with that alan.
many programs have no 68k startup
code such as FQuake5(QuakePPC)
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Hi
>> 29megs!!!?? why did the psx need only 2megs then?
The PSX has 3D custom chips and special 3d memory
addresses in the same way the Amiga runs old games
such as worms with very little memory.But the Amiga
is NOT built for 3D games.The PSX is.
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>yes yes..all very well and good..but this is an Amiga list and we

>already know how crap Windows PC's are in general.


Well, usually me posting something like that wouldn't matter. Some people
keep taking up most of the day's mail limit by themselves though.

>by the way, you cant just copy regsitry files of different PC's to each
>other unless they have exactly the same programs installed in the same
>places, and exactly the same hardware - and various other identical
>traits.


I realise that. The only reason we tried it was because they DO have exactly
the same programs, etc. on them, as they are all just have a clone of one
hard disk.

Neil


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>I'm afraid it's not good practice to do it EVER EVER EVER IN
>A MILLION YEARS, due to obvious things like PnP and security

>stuff.


Yeah, we found that out :)

Neil - bored


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  From:  Alan L.M. Buxey <kcci1@central.susx.ac.uk>
   Via:  Amiga Format mailing list <afb@egroups.com>
 Dated:  Tuesday, 16-Nov-99, 20:43:12
 About:  [afb] Re: Quake


Hello Alan,

> what is <tsb> anyway?? (apart from an old UK bank ;-) )

A code from the Thor e-mail client, now also adopted by YAM.  It stands
for thick seperator bar, and draws a thick line across the page, to
seperate one section from the next.  There's also a sb tag, which draws
a thin line.

Nice, neat, moderately simple and effective, but non-standard.  Now, if
a mailer would convert a whole line of --- or === symbols into an
unbroken line across the page, the same thing could be done without
code, but as people will point out, how many should be used?  More than
10, 20, exactly 72?

Bye,
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amipa-@yahoo.com wrote:
> I'm thinking of formating some of my partitions using this, and I was
> wondering if anyone on AFB had any horror stories to tell me about.
> Either that or I'll get PFS3 for Xmas...

Well i suggest you look at the review in AF 131,.. however.

Any filesystem is better than FFS, PFS/MUFS/SFS, they are all more
secure (data integrity), and offer incresed performance and space
efficency.

In //my// opiion SFS is better because,..
1) You CAN recover data from damaged partitions, PFS just wont.
2) An Online Defragmenter is available now.
3) MUFS lib support will happen,.. "any time soon now", wheras PFS, is
dont.

It is worth noteing that SFS is still developmental (although very
stable), and you should not replace ALL your partitions with it. I
think the best way to
use it is to create a new partition and assign web cache, temp files,
PPaint / ImageStudio VM files, YAM temps and other stuff to it.

-matthew

> Hi all
> rather than start with 68k code ;-)
> I have to disagree with that alan.
> many programs have no 68k startup
> code such as FQuake5(QuakePPC)

I'm afraid that even though the code
does not contain any 68k 'startup
code' the 68k still has to loadseg
it to start with.

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tim seifert wrote:
>> At the moment the service is only available for people using IE4+ and
>> Win95, 98 or NT4.  No Mac/Unix/OS2/Amiga/ Oric Atmos or anything
else.

I used the HSBC website, to order some info, (just paper), and they
rang me up to make sure the transaction worked properly !!, dont they
trust us programmers or what. I would have taken personal offence, but
the women on the phone was so technicaly unaware i felt sorry.

BTW,.. after about 5 minutes of the "do you have a PC ?, what version
of windows, whats AmugaOS ?, we dont support lineunix", turns out they
/she was using a win98 machine wired to a BSD mainframe !!.

-matthew